NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info?

[Toby Lang]

You are probably right, Lane. I would imagine each track could payout whatever they want to. These payout schedules are probably just guidelines. I think most tracks follow them though.


-Toby

[tim worner]

Seems the national event contingency is down. No Edelbrock,Impact ,Lucas or Valvoline listed in Dragster. Maybe later?

[Mike Carr]

Wow. Looking at some of the posted payout information, round money is really bad for both HRA's.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=244470

If all IHRA Pro-Am's pay out like this, no wonder hardly anyone goes.

In regards to Toby Lang's link, in 2011 at an NHRA Div 1 LODRS race, I'd get $25 LESS than I did ten years ago for a fourth round loss, and the entry fee is $45 MORE.


Makes a race like Hagerstown look better and better...

[Michael Beard]

The tracks and sanctioning bodies each have operating expenses, not to mention some reasonable expectation of profit. Please offer suggestions for an entry fee/payout schedule that achieves the same bottom line.

[Mike Carr]

Using current entry vs payout ratios in NHRA and IHRA, using a 63 car field in Stock

IHRA 63 cars x 135 per car = $8,505 taken in.
Payouts (round money plus Win and R/U) = $2,840 (3,040 in Super Stock); 33.3% payout of entry fees; IHRA keeps $5,665

Since the five lower Sportsman Eliminators (Stk, S/S, Q/R, S/R and H/R) are the same payouts (+/- $200), IHRA at that race would make, approximately, $27,500 per race, per day, based on entry fee at the gate vs payout. $55,000 for the weekend. Not counting the $40 per crew member for the weekend. This sounds great, unless the cost of the track and IHRA for the weekend is over $60K to put those events on. It would seem that IHRA could be better served to up the round money a bit (currently, you need to get to the fifth round to break even or a little better for your day's entry) to help possibly draw more cars and make the money back that they put into the payout.

BTW, NHRA, based on the same 63 cars, takes in $10,710 (@ $170 per car) and pay out $3,900, keeping $6,810, making their race a 36.1% payback race. Not much better.

Obviously, IHRA and the track probably made little, to nothing (probably lost money), on the Immokalee races. Though I do believe the low car counts are a reflection of the low round money paid out. A racer from up here would tow 1,200 miles one way there to race, make it to the 4th round both days (if it were a six round race), and actually lose money (won $240, paid $270 to race). A person, even those who love to race, would look at that scenario and say "Nah, I'll pass".

I think if IHRA were to increase the round money, or lower the entry fee a bit (getting to the third round gets you your entry fee back) would be a plus to perhaps draw more cars to compete.

[skills]

Since I am not a racer but just a fan my question is how do national events and divisional payouts compare to specialty events? Like the dutch or a s/ss association race? Is there a way for the tracks to get more local sponsors so they can up the payouts to draw more cars? That's really the only way the hra's can survive and expand is more draw of competitors while not losing the ones you have.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Using current entry vs payout ratios in NHRA and IHRA, using a 63 car field in Stock

IHRA 63 cars x 135 per car = $8,505 taken in.
Payouts (round money plus Win and R/U) = $2,840 (3,040 in Super Stock); 33.3% payout of entry fees; IHRA keeps $5,665

Since the five lower Sportsman Eliminators (Stk, S/S, Q/R, S/R and H/R) are the same payouts (+/- $200), IHRA at that race would make, approximately, $27,500 per race, per day, based on entry fee at the gate vs payout. $55,000 for the weekend. Not counting the $40 per crew member for the weekend. This sounds great, unless the cost of the track and IHRA for the weekend is over $60K to put those events on. It would seem that IHRA could be better served to up the round money a bit (currently, you need to get to the fifth round to break even or a little better for your day's entry) to help possibly draw more cars and make the money back that they put into the payout.

BTW, NHRA, based on the same 63 cars, takes in $10,710 (@ $170 per car) and pay out $3,900, keeping $6,810, making their race a 36.1% payback race. Not much better.

Obviously, IHRA and the track probably made little, to nothing (probably lost money), on the Immokalee races. Though I do believe the low car counts are a reflection of the low round money paid out. A racer from up here would tow 1,200 miles one way there to race, make it to the 4th round both days (if it were a six round race), and actually lose money (won $240, paid $270 to race). A person, even those who love to race, would look at that scenario and say "Nah, I'll pass".

I think if IHRA were to increase the round money, or lower the entry fee a bit (getting to the third round gets you your entry fee back) would be a plus to perhaps draw more cars to compete.

What are the odds of winning or being a runner up to gain any winnings worth traveling very far? Not very good at either HRA's to make/cover any expenses in todays economy of high fuel costs, wear and tear, cost of car and prep with todays rules, and entries. The pay outs have NOT kept up with what it cost to compete today. Dont forget that 1/2 (One half of you) WILL loose in the FIRST round. One half of the next round will be on the trailer after the 2nd round. Its a gamble at best no matter what. What matters is....did you have a great time and enjoy yourself in this game called drag racing?

[Toby Lang]

Like they say: "You can't win if you don't play."

Or as Mickey likes to say: "You can't win if you get tangled up."


-Toby

[Phillip marvetz]

So what has changed that makes the payout percentage so much less than it used to be? Lower car counts or higher operating expenses for HRA's? What needs to be done to get it back to were it used to be?

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

IHRA 63 cars x 135 per car = $8,505 taken in.
Payouts (round money plus Win and R/U) = $2,840 (3,040 in Super Stock); 33.3% payout of entry fees; IHRA keeps $5,665

Since the five lower Sportsman Eliminators (Stk, S/S, Q/R, S/R and H/R) are the same payouts (+/- $200), IHRA at that race would make, approximately, $27,500 per race, per day, based on entry fee at the gate vs payout. $55,000 for the weekend. Not counting the $40 per crew member for the weekend.

Wow. That was a pretty optimistic comparison. And the last IHRA Pro-Am that drew 441 cars was....?

It would seem that IHRA could be better served to up the round money a bit

If you recall, IHRA payouts used to start a round earlier, a practice which was discontinued when the car counts no longer sustained such payouts.

Please tell us what the car count would be in each class if the round money were doubled.

It's really easy to spend other people's money. Go rent a track, petition for a Pro-Am event, guarantee a significantly increased purse with no risk to IHRA or the track, and you can reap the rewards from the massive amount of racers that beat down your door.

Again, please offer suggestions for an entry fee/payout schedule that achieves the same bottom line.