Class win

[Herbie Null]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

But that would really screw the guys who really are the only car in their class. My buddy with the V/SA car is normally the only one on the grounds, and he can still run .6 under at least with the index change and add HP he got last year. I think the only time he has run anyone is when Lane Weber is there, maybe at Denver?

Maybe just make cars stick to the class they pre-registered in, no changing class at the track.

This is the point I was trying to make. If he wanted to win class, he would have built a class car to compete to race other cars, if you chose to build a car that has no one in a class thats your choice. You can still bracket race in the Eliminator, you wont even have a heads up run on race day. Just dont complain about a class WALLY. we wont our cake and eat it too. lol

[Bobby Fazio]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

This is the point I was trying to make. If he wanted to win class, he would have built a class car to compete to race other cars, if you chose to build a car that has no one in a class thats your choice. You can still bracket race in the Eliminator, you wont even have a heads up run on race day. Just dont complain about a class WALLY. we wont our cake and eat it too. lol

Herbie, first off I remember you from when I was a kid and you are a very good racer!

However, I strongly disagree with what you are saying here. You want us to not win class because no one else is in our class? He runs V/SA, no one else would dare to run that class so why not have him win class? If someone doesn't like that then they should go build a V/SA car and compete against him. Like I said earlier I'm usually the only SS/L car when I'm out there, so what's wrong with my getting the bye run? No one wants to build an SS/L car because first off no one wants a stick car for obvious reasons of consistency, parts abuse, etc. and second it's a tough combination to work with (Believe me I'm pulling my hair out most of the time). Kip Martin has perfected it, I have not.

I know you said in the old days you would run, go home, and work on your stuff.. That sounds cool and I wish I was around back then but I have a feeling back then it was within alot more of average racers' means to keep going home and working on a combo. Am I supposed to sell my car and build a typical chevy or mopar that runs a particular class, simply because everyone else does? Kinda goes back to "If Johnny jumps off a bridge would you?" That would kill any diversity left in Class Racing.

[Herbie Null]

No one ever said class racing was easy, all i was trying to say is that 20 or more solo passes for class is a joke. Do you think they like just giving out Wally's and class money for nothing. Class payouts have all but gone, who wants to hand out money just because the guy showed up at the race. Most class racers will understand what I am saying. It does not matter what you say on this site, you will offend someone and I am sorry this offended you. We can't complain if we do not try to change, the way it has been going is not working. What do you suggest to help class racing survive in the future. We all cant just make solo passes and win class

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

Class payouts have all but gone, who wants to hand out money just because the guy showed up at the race.

Herbie, I'm not sure I follow your thinking, so help me out here.

A racer goes all over to gain the necisary six grade points to be able to compete at Indy. They pay their $300 entry, take their vacation time, show up, race, make their Class Run, win their class, run quick enough, meet all the requirements (ET, weight, fuel, teardown, etc) and are declared Class Winner. Now, just because no one else could/would bother to do the same, that person should be denied their Class Win, even though they met all of NHRA's requrements to do so? because no one else showed up?

Am I missing something here? Should I have paid the entry for the other dozen or so HF/SA's to come race? Should I have talked to their bosses to give them the time off? Should I have tried to raise money to have a shootout to attract more participation? Paid their expenses? Should I have told Billy to build me another car to drive? Should I have borrowed a car for Indy, one that ran in a Class with three or more cars in it? I did all that I could do, and that NHRA required me to do, for me to be a Class Winner. I shouldn't be penalized for circumstances beyone my control (no one else showing up). If you went to Indy, and all the GT/BA racers had entered into the GT/AA Shootout and you were all alone in GT/BA, should NHRA take your Class money and Class Wally away and say "Sorry Herbie, you were a bye run, no Class Win for you. So long, and thanks for coming". I'f I'm missing something, please fill me in.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Herbie, I'm not sure I follow your thinking, so help me out here.

A racer goes all over to gain the necisary six grade points to be able to compete at Indy. They pay their $300 entry, take their vacation time, show up, race, make their Class Run, win their class, run quick enough, meet all the requirements (ET, weight, fuel, teardown, etc) and are declared Class Winner. Now, just because no one else could/would bother to do the same, that person should be denied their Class Win, even though they met all of NHRA's requrements to do so? because no one else showed up?

Am I missing something here? Should I have paid the entry for the other dozen or so HF/SA's to come race? Should I have talked to their bosses to give them the time off? Should I have tried to raise money to have a shootout to attract more participation? Paid their expenses? Should I have told Billy to build me another car to drive? Should I have borrowed a car for Indy, one that ran in a Class with three or more cars in it? I did all that I could do, and that NHRA required me to do, for me to be a Class Winner. I shouldn't be penalized for circumstances beyone my control (no one else showing up). If you went to Indy, and all the GT/BA racers had entered into the GT/AA Shootout and you were all alone in GT/BA, should NHRA take your Class money and Class Wally away and say "Sorry Herbie, you were a bye run, no Class Win for you. So long, and thanks for coming". I'f I'm missing something, please fill me in.

I'm one of the cars in a sparsly entered class.I am usually the only T/SA car here in Div. 1.
There is another one,but the owners choose not to run the car at national events.Is that my fault.I am capable of going 1.00 under at both national events here in Div 1 if I have to.So
why shouldn't I claim the Wally and the paultry $150 I get from contingencies?If I had a larger budget maybe I would build a higher class car,maybe not.I've heard grumbling from some not happy being beat by a "lower" class car.I love it.

[Herbie Null]

I didnt think I would need legal counsel for this thread, but i guess I was wrong again. Mike I think you should get the gest of what i was trying to say. I will go back to racing and leave the bench racing to you. Hope to pair up against you in the future. Happy Holidays

[Rory McNeil]

Lets see, there are over 50 classes in Stock Eliminator, yet many NHRA National events limit the car count to about that number, which means if there were 2 cars per class trying to get into a race, 1/2 the classes would have no representation, or else pretty much every class would have a single entrant to solo for a class win.Also, if NHRA did reduce the classes by going to 1 lb weight breaks, or combine sticks & automatics, we could well lose the current diversity of cars that we now enjoy. Much like the old days, (and still to this day in some cases), certain combinations "own" some specific classes. With the current rules, there is more freedom to build a car model/engine combo you like, rather than having to build "THE" combination to be competetive in a given class. Not singling out any racer or car combo, but frankly, I don`t want to see nothing but 396-427 Camaros in the upper classes, 350 Camaros in the middle, and 283 65-66 Impalas & Belairs in the lower end. I hear all this talk about Stock not being a entry level class, but in reality, it kinda is, or it can be. Not every body has the resources to buy a $50,000 turnkey "killer" car, $5000 "valve jobs", or a $15,000 dollar "stock" 305, 318,or 390 engine. Some of us actually enjoy the challenge of building a car within the rules listed in the Rulebook, some seem to "follow" the black & white interpetation of said rules more than others.Maybe if every car got a thorough tear down inspection annually, with a firm, and most of all CONSISTANT enforcement of the printed rules, there might not be such a spread between the truely legal, and some of the "just work harder, spend more money" guys. Much like there was much moaning about the possible piston & rod inspections, and checking of the "stock" cylinder head port volumes, I thought it odd that there were so many supposedly legal racers who were afraid that they may have inadvertantly (of course) recieved "defective" components from their local wrecking yard, engine builder, or parts supplier. He was before my time, but from what I have seen or heard over the years, "Farmer" Dismuke would have held the reigns much tighter on interpetation of the Rulebook!

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Herbie, I'm not sure I follow your thinking, so help me out here.

A racer goes all over to gain the necisary six grade points to be able to compete at Indy. They pay their $300 entry, take their vacation time, show up, race, make their Class Run, win their class, run quick enough, meet all the requirements (ET, weight, fuel, teardown, etc) and are declared Class Winner. Now, just because no one else could/would bother to do the same, that person should be denied their Class Win, even though they met all of NHRA's requrements to do so? because no one else showed up?

Am I missing something here? Should I have paid the entry for the other dozen or so HF/SA's to come race? Should I have talked to their bosses to give them the time off? Should I have tried to raise money to have a shootout to attract more participation? Paid their expenses? Should I have told Billy to build me another car to drive? Should I have borrowed a car for Indy, one that ran in a Class with three or more cars in it? I did all that I could do, and that NHRA required me to do, for me to be a Class Winner. I shouldn't be penalized for circumstances beyone my control (no one else showing up). If you went to Indy, and all the GT/BA racers had entered into the GT/AA Shootout and you were all alone in GT/BA, should NHRA take your Class money and Class Wally away and say "Sorry Herbie, you were a bye run, no Class Win for you. So long, and thanks for coming". I'f I'm missing something, please fill me in.

What he said!

Why should I be punished because no one else wants to run in P/S or V/S? or just wasn't able to get to that particular race?

JimR

[bigshow2966]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

This is the point I was trying to make. If he wanted to win class, he would have built a class car to compete to race other cars, if you chose to build a car that has no one in a class thats your choice. You can still bracket race in the Eliminator, you wont even have a heads up run on race day. Just dont complain about a class WALLY. we wont our cake and eat it too. lol

Mike didn't intentionally build the car in that class to avoid heads-up runs, he built the car because he wanted to race a Slant 6 and that is the only class he fits in. His original plan was to build the car, make it competitive, hopefully set a national record, and then sell it. Well, he's done all but the last, and he is keeping the car because he is having too much fun racing it.

Just so you know, Mike was a Slant 6 bracket racer and had one of the fastest Slant cars on the planet. He wanted to race Stock because so many people told him that a Slant could never be competitive. Good thing he didn't listen to them, huh?