Next Debate.

[goinbroke2]

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A min. wt of 3920 lbs in AA/s(a) should slow those CJ's down enough.[/QUOTE]

Yup, that'll learn 'em huh?

OK, what about the 300hp turbo 2012 cobalt? or the 400hp supercharged 2013 neon? Oh yeah, saddle them with 1000lb's, yup that's thinking.
Then the factories go "eh, screw em, lets go back to sponsoring funny car and nascar"

Good plan, lots of forethought!

How about some creative/helpfull/insightfull idea's for a common problem instead of harping time and again against fords! If this was truely about supercharged or turbo vehicles being a problem then every freaking thread on this site wouldn't degenerate back to "the cj's"
It's losing a lot of the credibility when certain people keep whining about one vehicle. Is it a cj issue or is it a super/turbo issue?
And for those with the narrow/short sight that think it's solely a cj issue, will you be here next year fixated on the next factory car? Challenger? Camaro? One at a time you'd rather whine then go for the problem/issue?

[big blue galaxie]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

Yup, that'll learn 'em huh?

OK, what about the 300hp turbo 2012 cobalt? or the 400hp supercharged 2013 neon? Oh yeah, saddle them with 1000lb's, yup that's thinking.
Then the factories go "eh, screw em, lets go back to sponsoring funny car and nascar"

Good plan, lots of forethought!

How about some creative/helpfull/insightfull idea's for a common problem instead of harping time and again against fords! If this was truely about supercharged or turbo vehicles being a problem then every freaking thread on this site wouldn't degenerate back to "the cj's"
It's losing a lot of the credibility when certain people keep whining about one vehicle. Is it a cj issue or is it a super/turbo issue?
And for those with the narrow/short sight that think it's solely a cj issue, will you be here next year fixated on the next factory car? Challenger? Camaro? One at a time you'd rather whine then go for the problem/issue?

The issue is that turbo/super cars can keep applying boost and gain advantage over the N/A competition without checks and balances; the Cobra Jet just became the object of complaint because it is ridiculously quick from the getgo and with prep can go way faster. Even the smaller boosted cars are formidable, as Mark already knows, and the modern equipment has more efficient heads.

[Just Observing]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

Yup, that'll learn 'em huh?

OK, what about the 300hp turbo 2012 cobalt? or the 400hp supercharged 2013 neon? Oh yeah, saddle them with 1000lb's, yup that's thinking.
Then the factories go "eh, screw em, lets go back to sponsoring funny car and nascar"

Good plan, lots of forethought!

How about some creative/helpfull/insightfull idea's for a common problem instead of harping time and again against fords! If this was truely about supercharged or turbo vehicles being a problem then every freaking thread on this site wouldn't degenerate back to "the cj's"
It's losing a lot of the credibility when certain people keep whining about one vehicle. Is it a cj issue or is it a super/turbo issue?
And for those with the narrow/short sight that think it's solely a cj issue, will you be here next year fixated on the next factory car? Challenger? Camaro? One at a time you'd rather whine then go for the problem/issue?

The neon and cobalt will be FWD vehicles. They will have a hard time fitting in to current Af/s class at those HP factor levels. If a car is horrible underfactored it should be raised immediately. Doesn't matter if it is a challenger/camaro, Turboed/Supercharged/NA or whatever.

At the current factor of 425 hp the CJ's weigh 3355 min in AA/s(a). So a factor of 500 hp would add less than 600 lbs to them. 570lbs to be exact. This is were they will have to be once someone starts to massage these CJ's for the current AA/s(a)combos to be competitive. IMO.

BTW when the Hurst hemi cudas and darts came out of the "factory" rated at 425 hp NHRA instantly adjusted the hp factor to 500. Seems like a precedence to me......