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[Lenny5160_v2]

Originally Posted by Adub464Q

If you were to set this at 9 seconds (on an 11 second car), would this be considered a downtrack rev limiter or is this a safety switch?

That's an illegal downtrack rev limiter, IMO.

[bigshow2966]

Originally Posted by Adub464Q

If you were to set this at 9 seconds (on an 11 second car), would this be considered a downtrack rev limiter or is this a safety switch?

Downtrack rev limiter would be my guess.

The last race I was with Mike Jeffrey at Tri-State he had not changed rear gears from Denver. He didn't think it would leg through, but 1st qualifier he went .99X under. He decided to run to the 1000 foot mark and let off. He made it 4 rounds that way and avoided a hit. It wasn't scrubbing a whole lot of ET off either.

[Ellis V Buth]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160_v2

I do this all the time if I am bracket racing and have a bye. Lift at the 1000' (or 330' for 1/8 mile) and put it dead-on, just to show everyone that I can. It's not sorcery.

With Troy being in a slow car for the class, almost any opponent has the ability to come up and throw a wheel on him. He's found a way to take that away by being so extremely slow and further decelerating when the other cars are charging. That's creative thinking and it's obviously working!

In 2020 at the bracket finals I qualified for sportsman class but didn't have a competitive car that ran 12.00 or slower at the time. I decided to race my pro car (since I was footbraking and hand shifting anyways) and simply lift at the 1/8th mile cone as if I were racing to there. I ended up making the final round before choosing to give up the stripe instead of taking it.

Car ran consistently driving that way based on what the 1/8th mile times were. 12.45 at 72 MPH isn't what several of the other drivers were expecting...especially the ones dialed around 12.90 and I'd go flying past them before 330' and then they'd start catching me quickly after I performed my spot drop.

I personally prescribe to this simply being a different strategy and not a situation of cheating. While I'm sure there is a way a person could cheat doing something like this I know it is possible to do it competitively from my personal experience.

[Ellis V Buth]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

Downtrack rev limiter would be my guess.

The last race I was with Mike Jeffrey at Tri-State he had not changed rear gears from Denver. He didn't think it would leg through, but 1st qualifier he went .99X under. He decided to run to the 1000 foot mark and let off. He made it 4 rounds that way and avoided a hit. It wasn't scrubbing a whole lot of ET off either.

1000' lift and coast doesn't kill near as much as some would think. It all depends on momentum and whatnot but I've found in some of my bracket cars it can be as little as .15 or as much as .30 depending on speed and weight and conditions.

[jim reynolds]

Not hard to do legally...bitd 80's IHRA super stock, we had to dial either index or record and in bad air i just flat could not run the record. SOooo i would pick 1 telephone pole to run to and go to neutral and back into the index. Worked sometimes lol !

[Jim Caughlin]

Originally Posted by Ellis V Buth

1000' lift and coast doesn't kill near as much as some would think. It all depends on momentum and whatnot but I've found in some of my bracket cars it can be as little as .15 or as much as .30 depending on speed and weight and conditions.

Can't speak for other combos but letting off the throttle and not hitting the brakes doesn't really kill a lot of MPH in my car.

[SDT1DYI]

Maybe its time to lower the indexes 3 tenths. No make it 4.
It's just a suggestion a friend made!

Steve Teeter B/SA 620.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by SDT1DYI

Maybe its time to lower the indexes 3 tenths. No make it 4.
It's just a suggestion a friend made!

Steve Teeter B/SA 620.

Ya know, why don't we just go back to the old way of "running off the National Record"! Watch your complaints pick up and your car counts drop.
I'll just bring my "junk" back to where I found it and freshen up something in the garage. I'll be racing, will you?
Please ask "your friend" about my suggestion, would you?

[SDT1DYI]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know, why don't we just go back to the old way of "running off the National Record"! Watch your complaints pick up and your car counts drop.
I'll just bring my "junk" back to where I found it and freshen up something in the garage. I'll be racing, will you?
Please ask "your friend" about my suggestion, would you?

I did Billy, he suggested that ALL the National events should be open to All Stock Eliminator cars.
Top 65 Qualifers race, 66 and higher go home ( except Indy then 128). He thinks thats what the Divisonal races are for , work on your stuff so you can Qualify for a National Event.
Many may not agree but it's suppose to be a performance based class is it not?

Steve Teetet B/SA 620

[Billy Nees]

I kinda like the way your "friend" thinks!

However, I don't feel that the indexes should be lowered. I also don't want to go back to the old "run off the record" days. It would hurt Racer participation too much.
I would like to see more tech, more teardowns and more adherence to the rules as written. Also stepping back a few years regarding rules which have been "liberalized" in order to make tech more able to be enforced by fewer and less knowledgeable inspectors.

Maybe NHRA should come up with a "rule" regarding E.T.s VS. trap speeds.
For example, if your "friend" has a mid-10 second car and is suddenly going 100-105 MPH then he's DQd.
I mean after all, high-speed braking is a "safety issue" right? ;-)