Trailer Killers! - Page 8

Greg Reimer 7376 · 01-06-2019, 11:11 PM

I guess a few persons wanted to check out the specs on the 409- the original cam in a '62 380 or 409 horse engine ended in part #930, it had .439" lift on both valves.It was a carryover from the small port '61 360 horse 409. A running change was the 3830690 cam, it had .507 intake lift, .519 exhaust lift. NHRA let you use it without any horsepower penalty. The '63 engine used the same cam, but it didn't seem to get a horsepower break, the engine was rated at 400 horsepower or 425 horsepower. The only difference between the '62 hi po 409 and the '63 was the chrome valve covers, air cleaner, and dipstick,and the '63 cast iron exhaust manifolds were a cast iron header that did work better than the 2 1/2" outlet rams horns on the '62 motor, but you wouldn't use either one on a race car. The '62 engine and car is the one to build.The two engines allow the OEM head, the #690 casting, with the #583 head as a legal replacement. The 583 came on the '64 400 and 425 horse engine and the '65 400 horse engine. Only difference was that the valve spring seats were deepened and taller valve springs were used on that head to eliminate coil bind and to enhance spring life. They are more rare than the 690 heads. Have fun rounding up all these parts, and building these engines!! Oh,yes, the dual 4 barrel intakes are the same for all years.

Mike Jones · 01-07-2019, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Mike in the specs it looks like they have upped the '62 380 HP 409 to 400 HP in '63 and allowed the optional carb and optional big cam from the 62. ..
Something interesting is the '62 380 HP-409 is factored @ 365 NHRA HP and the 2X4 409 HP-409is factored @ 370 NHRA HP.
The 1963 engines with the same engine specs are rated at a 400 HP ( 365 NHRA) and 425 HP ( 385 NHRA)
All are Stick shift... Wouldn't the 1962 409 HP 409 with 2x4's be the one to run? (370 NHRA Factored)

it looks like the one, Adger. I think they all need charity, after all, these are obsolete pieces, including 55-57 Chevy's, Fords, etc. If people have this stuff laying around, why not entice them to bring it back out. I don`t see any harm. Maybe I`m wrong, but it looks like it could be done with the stroke of a pen. Like Billy said in another post, Local Track owners would love it.
MJ

Bunkster · 01-07-2019, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Jones

Lets not forget the Pontiac's...
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All of those two-piece drive shafts: Did those things last at all?

Greg Reimer 7376 · 01-07-2019, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunkster

All of those two-piece drive shafts: Did those things last at all?

No.

Mark Yacavone · 01-07-2019, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunkster

All of those two-piece drive shafts: Did those things last at all?

They were gone after 1960 in Pontiacs.
You could ask Denny Ford or Aubrey Bruneau about the Chevys.
I don't see where they would be a big problem in today's Stock Eliminator world.

Mike Jones · 01-07-2019, 01:05 PM

Mark,
Do you remember Don Scinto`s Pontiac wagon?
I only heard stories. Ran Super Stock, because you could change the small cam out of the low HP 389?
Perhaps you could elaborate
MJ

Dan Fahey · 01-07-2019, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

They were gone after 1960 in Pontiacs.
You could ask Denny Ford or Aubrey Bruneau about the Chevys.
I don't see where they would be a big problem in today's Stock Eliminator world.

1958 to 1964 were the X bodies.
1965 to 1976 got the larger H-Body

1977 to 1996 GM stayed with the 1964 GTO/Chevelle chassis design.
Malibu's became Impala/Caprice//Bonneville/Roadmaster/Caddy/Olds
The Wagons had the Boxed Frames.
Police Packages got the all the Chassis attach points bolted.

MikeMoller · 01-08-2019, 10:57 PM

1970 Chevrolet Sta Wag 3S Kingswood Estate w/TH with 390 HP 454 Cu In Engine at 4943 lbs for H/SA.
1971 Chevrolet Sta Wag 3S Kingswood Estate w/TH with 365 HP 454 Cu In Engine at 5280 lbs for M/SA.

Rory McNeil · 01-09-2019, 02:30 AM

Don`t recall what it had to weigh in at, but 15-20 years ago, Jeff Davidson raced a early 70s Olsmobile Vista Cruiser station wagon here in Div.6, in SS/MA. To run that low of a class designation with a 455 cube engine , she had to be rather porky!

Billy Nees · 03-21-2020, 06:55 PM

another one for shelter-in-place discussion!

01-06-2019, 11:11 PM	#71
Greg Reimer 7376 VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora,Calif. Posts: 1,136 Likes: 172 Liked 705 Times in 219 Posts	Re: Trailer Killers! I guess a few persons wanted to check out the specs on the 409- the original cam in a '62 380 or 409 horse engine ended in part #930, it had .439" lift on both valves.It was a carryover from the small port '61 360 horse 409. A running change was the 3830690 cam, it had .507 intake lift, .519 exhaust lift. NHRA let you use it without any horsepower penalty. The '63 engine used the same cam, but it didn't seem to get a horsepower break, the engine was rated at 400 horsepower or 425 horsepower. The only difference between the '62 hi po 409 and the '63 was the chrome valve covers, air cleaner, and dipstick,and the '63 cast iron exhaust manifolds were a cast iron header that did work better than the 2 1/2" outlet rams horns on the '62 motor, but you wouldn't use either one on a race car. The '62 engine and car is the one to build.The two engines allow the OEM head, the #690 casting, with the #583 head as a legal replacement. The 583 came on the '64 400 and 425 horse engine and the '65 400 horse engine. Only difference was that the valve spring seats were deepened and taller valve springs were used on that head to eliminate coil bind and to enhance spring life. They are more rare than the 690 heads. Have fun rounding up all these parts, and building these engines!! Oh,yes, the dual 4 barrel intakes are the same for all years.

01-07-2019, 01:05 PM	#76
Mike Jones VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,125 Likes: 1,179 Liked 684 Times in 289 Posts	Re: Trailer Killers! Mark, Do you remember Don Scinto`s Pontiac wagon? I only heard stories. Ran Super Stock, because you could change the small cam out of the low HP 389? Perhaps you could elaborate MJ

01-08-2019, 10:57 PM	#78
MikeMoller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 637 Likes: 27 Liked 254 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Trailer Killers! 1970 Chevrolet Sta Wag 3S Kingswood Estate w/TH with 390 HP 454 Cu In Engine at 4943 lbs for H/SA. 1971 Chevrolet Sta Wag 3S Kingswood Estate w/TH with 365 HP 454 Cu In Engine at 5280 lbs for M/SA. __________________ Mike Moller NHRA 203 Q-R-T/SA Last edited by MikeMoller; 01-08-2019 at 11:03 PM.

01-09-2019, 02:30 AM	#79
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 317 Liked 1,104 Times in 302 Posts	Re: Trailer Killers! Don`t recall what it had to weigh in at, but 15-20 years ago, Jeff Davidson raced a early 70s Olsmobile Vista Cruiser station wagon here in Div.6, in SS/MA. To run that low of a class designation with a 455 cube engine , she had to be rather porky! __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang

03-21-2020, 06:55 PM	#80
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,495 Likes: 3,600 Liked 7,740 Times in 1,740 Posts	Re: Trailer Killers! another one for shelter-in-place discussion! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K