question for the smart guys

skills · 12-29-2012, 08:27 PM

since this is the holiday season and there is no racing. I figured I would pick your brains. I am a huge fiero guy yes I know stop laughing at me. Question since ups doesn't give me the budget for a four speed max wedge stocker I wonder would a fiero gt make a competitive combo. Billy I know your smiling so share your wisdom. Would love to hear possible class and how far under you think it could go.

Michael Beard · 12-29-2012, 09:23 PM

Prior to the AHFS, when HP was ruled by committee, I believe Billy had asked for 5 HP back on the Fiero. Reply: "Not if YOU'RE building it! YOU'LL make it FLY!"

Geerhead55 · 12-29-2012, 09:28 PM

Didn't know there was such a thing as a "Huge Fiero guy",, how'd you fit in the car?
Yeah, I know, I'm being a smart guy. I actually saw a Fiero GT in Super Gas a few years back,,, didn't look bad. Good luck with your project.
Danny Durham

Mark Yacavone · 12-29-2012, 09:53 PM

I'm not sure I qualify to respond here , but here goes:

The 87 THM GT will make T/SA .
@ 150 HP, I think it's a bit high...Ask Jim Wahl about that combo. It's 155 in the Cimarron, FWD but you get a .430 lift cam.
The TH125 is essentially a mini T200, so all the low drag tricks would apply.
You are limited with the final drive , but a really short drag radial would work fine ,as I can't see how traction would be an issue.
Cams are available..390/ 410 lift is what a lot of the 350 Chevies use.
You'll have to fab the headers. You used to be able to get S10 kit pieces.
I'd build a 7 " converter to get the rpm's up to make up for the gear ratio.
I think it would run the NHRA index without too much trouble

chris ok · 12-29-2012, 10:31 PM

wasn't 88 last year. I worked across the shop from them on Isuzu's.
I thought they were from 84, the 84C15 recall cars, to 88GT's where they finally got them right but public gave up on them. This is all from memory tho....

skills · 12-29-2012, 10:51 PM

Yes you are right 84-88 always wanted one. Just thought that would be an interesting challenge. Also they are rwd.

Mark Yacavone · 12-29-2012, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skills

Yes you are right 84-88 always wanted one. Just thought that would be an interesting challenge. Also they are rwd.

84 and 88 are not in the book.

RonTheAnnouncer · 12-30-2012, 12:30 AM

Saw this one day at dragway 42 running mid 17s...

RonTheAnnouncer · 12-30-2012, 12:35 AM

...and this at Norwalk a few years ago at the Halloween Classic.

Billy Nees · 12-30-2012, 09:35 AM

The car I was playing with was an 85 2.5/120/113 car. It is a natural V/SA that can make W. The car has a "stupid computer" in it that you can make do what you want it to. It has a pretty big throttlebody and the heads and intake look good. Biggest problem would be the transaxle. The best final drive that you can get from the factory is a 3.73. I've heard that there's someone in upstate N.Y. that might make yoy a 4.10. Yac can make you a converter and even do the trans for you. 4 cyl car has got enough room that you can make your own headers. Find the shortest slicks that you can (or even drag radials?) and it would probably do much better than index. It would hook in a carwash.
I think in hindsight that it could be a fun little car and would probably run well. I probably didn't give it much of a chance as I really didn't like the "disconected" feel that I got while driving it.

12-29-2012, 08:27 PM	#1
skills Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hershey,pa Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 8 Times in 1 Post	question for the smart guys since this is the holiday season and there is no racing. I figured I would pick your brains. I am a huge fiero guy yes I know stop laughing at me. Question since ups doesn't give me the budget for a four speed max wedge stocker I wonder would a fiero gt make a competitive combo. Billy I know your smiling so share your wisdom. Would love to hear possible class and how far under you think it could go.

12-29-2012, 09:23 PM	#2
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: question for the smart guys Prior to the AHFS, when HP was ruled by committee, I believe Billy had asked for 5 HP back on the Fiero. Reply: "Not if YOU'RE building it! YOU'LL make it FLY!" __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

12-29-2012, 09:28 PM	#3
Geerhead55 VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tacoma, Washington Posts: 1,632 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: question for the smart guys Didn't know there was such a thing as a "Huge Fiero guy",, how'd you fit in the car? Yeah, I know, I'm being a smart guy. I actually saw a Fiero GT in Super Gas a few years back,,, didn't look bad. Good luck with your project. Danny Durham

12-29-2012, 09:53 PM	#4
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,807 Likes: 2,897 Liked 5,109 Times in 1,947 Posts	Re: question for the smart guys I'm not sure I qualify to respond here , but here goes: The 87 THM GT will make T/SA . @ 150 HP, I think it's a bit high...Ask Jim Wahl about that combo. It's 155 in the Cimarron, FWD but you get a .430 lift cam. The TH125 is essentially a mini T200, so all the low drag tricks would apply. You are limited with the final drive , but a really short drag radial would work fine ,as I can't see how traction would be an issue. Cams are available..390/ 410 lift is what a lot of the 350 Chevies use. You'll have to fab the headers. You used to be able to get S10 kit pieces. I'd build a 7 " converter to get the rpm's up to make up for the gear ratio. I think it would run the NHRA index without too much trouble __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

12-29-2012, 10:31 PM	#5
chris ok Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Long Island, New york Posts: 592 Likes: 131 Liked 46 Times in 29 Posts	Re: question for the smart guys wasn't 88 last year. I worked across the shop from them on Isuzu's. I thought they were from 84, the 84C15 recall cars, to 88GT's where they finally got them right but public gave up on them. This is all from memory tho....

12-29-2012, 10:51 PM	#6
skills Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hershey,pa Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: question for the smart guys Yes you are right 84-88 always wanted one. Just thought that would be an interesting challenge. Also they are rwd.

12-30-2012, 12:30 AM	#8
RonTheAnnouncer Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ravenna, OH Posts: 60 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: question for the smart guys Saw this one day at dragway 42 running mid 17s... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Ron Huntley, Jr. announcer and Half ed racer "Those who can, do. Those who can't, criticize."

12-30-2012, 12:35 AM	#9
RonTheAnnouncer Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ravenna, OH Posts: 60 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: question for the smart guys ...and this at Norwalk a few years ago at the Halloween Classic. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Ron Huntley, Jr. announcer and Half ed racer "Those who can, do. Those who can't, criticize."

12-30-2012, 09:35 AM	#10
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,485 Likes: 3,587 Liked 7,682 Times in 1,730 Posts	Re: question for the smart guys The car I was playing with was an 85 2.5/120/113 car. It is a natural V/SA that can make W. The car has a "stupid computer" in it that you can make do what you want it to. It has a pretty big throttlebody and the heads and intake look good. Biggest problem would be the transaxle. The best final drive that you can get from the factory is a 3.73. I've heard that there's someone in upstate N.Y. that might make yoy a 4.10. Yac can make you a converter and even do the trans for you. 4 cyl car has got enough room that you can make your own headers. Find the shortest slicks that you can (or even drag radials?) and it would probably do much better than index. It would hook in a carwash. I think in hindsight that it could be a fun little car and would probably run well. I probably didn't give it much of a chance as I really didn't like the "disconected" feel that I got while driving it. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K