New Ahfs Posted

DustyLowell · 12-10-2007, 01:26 PM

Its posted on the Lucas Oil site.

Bruce Noland · 12-10-2007, 03:36 PM

They are asking for racer input about the changes.

Dave Ribeiro · 12-10-2007, 04:56 PM

Dusty/ Bruce,

I see they aren't going to touch the factored tracks at all during National events..So they can set records and run as far under as they want with no-HP...Yep that sure seems fair... Why can't they correct this problem ???? Dave...1033/stock

Just Observing · 12-10-2007, 05:30 PM

Anybody else think the higher number of runs versus a lower threshold for HP is plain old stupid?

The oddball combos will never get HP and the most common ones(Chevy) will get hammered. Lynn McCarty must have came up with that load of crap!

PJ305 · 12-10-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Observing

Anybody else think the higher number of runs versus a lower threshold for HP is plain old stupid?

The oddball combos will never get HP and the most common ones(GM) will get hammered. Lynn McCarty must have came up with that load of crap!

If you have this new system figured out please post some examples on how it works for us stupid people? Thank You.

Just Observing · 12-10-2007, 06:50 PM

I am not claiming I got it figured out, but here is my understanding of the sliding thresh hold.

Racer #1 GT/CA 350 295/322 chevy combo ( A very common combo)

Racer #2 GT/CA 400 Pontiac ( A very rare combo)

These two guys duke it out at both the US nats and Sports nats at Columbus. Both racers go -1.150 under in the class finals at both races. Thus triggering a review under the "new" AHFS.

Since racer #1 combo is very common and there are several runs in the database, say 25, if this combo average is only -.800 under then it would get HP on the sliding scale AHFS.

While Racer #2 with a rare combo and less than 5 runs in the database has to be -1.00 under to get HP! Racer #2 could go to a third race and slow down his car to qualify at only -.69 under to lower his average to below the -1.00 threshold.

In my opinion it should be the exact opposite of what is proposed. Low # of runs in Database should have a lower threshold to recieve HP compared to High # of runs in the database should be a higher threshold to recieve HP.

Rod Greene · 12-10-2007, 07:00 PM

Finally something that makes sense. This should help level the playing field for the non GM cars.

PJ305 · 12-10-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Observing

I am not claiming I got it figured out, but here is my understanding of the sliding thresh hold.

Racer #1 GT/CA 350 295/322 chevy combo ( A very common combo)

Racer #2 GT/CA 400 Pontiac ( A very rare combo)

These two guys duke it out at both the US nats and Sports nats at Columbus. Both racers go -1.150 under in the class finals at both races. Thus triggering a review under the "new" AHFS.

Since racer #1 combo is very common and there are several runs in the database, say 25, if this combo average is only -.800 under then it would get HP on the sliding scale AHFS.

While Racer #2 with a rare combo and less than 5 runs in the database has to be -1.00 under to get HP! Racer #2 could go to a third race and slow down his car to qualify at only -.69 under to lower his average to below the -1.00 threshold.

In my opinion it should be the exact opposite of what is proposed. Low # of runs in Database should have a lower threshold to recieve HP compared to High # of runs in the database should be a higher threshold to recieve HP.

Not positive but i don't think the AHFS will alow the same driver too use the third race toward his average. Maybe Len can chime in and shed some light on this.

Greg Hill · 12-10-2007, 07:17 PM

I like the fact that they are going to include all runs at National events including all class runs. Some of these guys that have been protecting their combinations are going to have to decide if they want to win class or continue to protect their combos. This should make the AHFS work better than before.

As far as the class averages go I didn't see anything wrong with the old way of doing things. Average must be 1 second under to get horsepower.

Greg

Chuck Beach · 12-10-2007, 10:15 PM

I don't think you can lower your own average, ask Mr. Hale about that, his 383 got hit, he was the only car and combo.

12-10-2007, 04:56 PM	#3
Dave Ribeiro VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Williamsburg, Va.---USA Posts: 1,827 Likes: 1,612 Liked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Re: New Ahfs Posted Dusty/ Bruce, I see they aren't going to touch the factored tracks at all during National events..So they can set records and run as far under as they want with no-HP...Yep that sure seems fair... Why can't they correct this problem ???? Dave...1033/stock __________________ Dave Ribeiro 1033 STK

12-10-2007, 05:30 PM	#4
Just Observing Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 138 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Ahfs Posted Anybody else think the higher number of runs versus a lower threshold for HP is plain old stupid? The oddball combos will never get HP and the most common ones(Chevy) will get hammered. Lynn McCarty must have came up with that load of crap! Last edited by Just Observing; 12-10-2007 at 06:32 PM.

12-10-2007, 06:50 PM	#6
Just Observing Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 138 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Ahfs Posted I am not claiming I got it figured out, but here is my understanding of the sliding thresh hold. Racer #1 GT/CA 350 295/322 chevy combo ( A very common combo) Racer #2 GT/CA 400 Pontiac ( A very rare combo) These two guys duke it out at both the US nats and Sports nats at Columbus. Both racers go -1.150 under in the class finals at both races. Thus triggering a review under the "new" AHFS. Since racer #1 combo is very common and there are several runs in the database, say 25, if this combo average is only -.800 under then it would get HP on the sliding scale AHFS. While Racer #2 with a rare combo and less than 5 runs in the database has to be -1.00 under to get HP! Racer #2 could go to a third race and slow down his car to qualify at only -.69 under to lower his average to below the -1.00 threshold. In my opinion it should be the exact opposite of what is proposed. Low # of runs in Database should have a lower threshold to recieve HP compared to High # of runs in the database should be a higher threshold to recieve HP.

12-10-2007, 07:00 PM	#7
Rod Greene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: TN Posts: 530 Likes: 423 Liked 242 Times in 81 Posts	Re: New Ahfs Posted Finally something that makes sense. This should help level the playing field for the non GM cars. __________________ Rod Greene Real men shift for them selves. Slowly working on TA Challenger for D,E/S and a 72 Challenger for SS/K, L as if I don't have enough other projects.

12-10-2007, 07:17 PM	#9
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: New Ahfs Posted I like the fact that they are going to include all runs at National events including all class runs. Some of these guys that have been protecting their combinations are going to have to decide if they want to win class or continue to protect their combos. This should make the AHFS work better than before. As far as the class averages go I didn't see anything wrong with the old way of doing things. Average must be 1 second under to get horsepower. Greg

12-10-2007, 01:26 PM	#1
DustyLowell Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 26 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New Ahfs Posted Its posted on the Lucas Oil site. __________________ Dusty Lowell 1773 F/SA

12-10-2007, 03:36 PM	#2
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: New Ahfs Posted They are asking for racer input about the changes. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

12-10-2007, 10:15 PM	#10
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: New Ahfs Posted I don't think you can lower your own average, ask Mr. Hale about that, his 383 got hit, he was the only car and combo. __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK