Manley 10° +.050" locks poor qa/qc ???

Kevin Panzino · 05-17-2014, 06:22 PM

Has anyone else noticed the Manley 13198 (11/32" stem, 10°, +.050" installed height, machined steel) valve locks come out anywhere from .065" to .073" additional installed height ?? A far cry from the specified +.050" additional????

Not only is the fact that they are that far off somewhat concerning, but the variance from .065" to .073" between locks in one package scares me... If the two locks installed a valve are not exactly the same dimensions, one of the locks will have almost all of the spring load on its groove rather than shared between the two

Ed Wright · 05-17-2014, 06:29 PM

Sorry man! I had a brain f*rt. Mine are Comp. Always checked correctly.
I should just keep quiet.

MAURICE BLENDHEIM · 05-18-2014, 02:54 AM

Kevin…We have also experienced the same problems. Manley retainers have been an issue for us too. Alternative choices were made to get around it. Hopefully they are not trading Quality for "offshore" profit. MB.

ss wannabee · 05-19-2014, 10:56 AM

Who makes a decent retainer/lock today? I've got Crane and Lunati pieces...but
nothing in the added height should I need to go there....The ones I have hopefully were
made in the good 'ol USA...as they have been here for quite some time...

Anybody get 'em from Trick Titanium?

Ed Wright · 05-19-2014, 12:30 PM

I've had good luck with Comp.

Mike Pearson · 05-19-2014, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I've had good luck with Comp.

Same here on Comp

trmnatr · 06-01-2014, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ss wannabee

Who makes a decent retainer/lock today? I've got Crane and Lunati pieces...but
nothing in the added height should I need to go there....The ones I have hopefully were
made in the good 'ol USA...as they have been here for quite some time...

Anybody get 'em from Trick Titanium?

Crane Posi Stop or Titanium. I try to use the posi stop when I can. They are specific sizes. If you can not use a standard Posi Stop because the standard lock won't work with your valve, use Crane Posi Stop's for 3/8" valves, and use Multi Fit Crane locks. All their Multi Fit is based on 3/8"

BillK · 06-01-2014, 09:18 PM

Kevin,
One thing I have found on the Manley locks and retainers, they measure different when used with another manufacturers parts. For instance if you take a Comp retainer and measure the installed hgt with a Comp lock, and then try it again with a Manley lock, it will measure different. I found this out a long time ago. I pretty much stick with one manufacturers parts. If I am using Comp retainers, I use their locks. Comp seems to be the most consistent over time. I have some single Comp retainers I bought 15 years ago for checking stuff and they still are identical to what you buy today. I would bet Crane is the same way. Cant say that for most other brands.

Some of the less expensive house brand stuff is the worse, it will vary from part to part in the same package

05-17-2014, 06:22 PM	#1
Kevin Panzino Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 576 Likes: 298 Liked 748 Times in 137 Posts	Manley 10° +.050" locks poor qa/qc ??? Has anyone else noticed the Manley 13198 (11/32" stem, 10°, +.050" installed height, machined steel) valve locks come out anywhere from .065" to .073" additional installed height ?? A far cry from the specified +.050" additional???? Not only is the fact that they are that far off somewhat concerning, but the variance from .065" to .073" between locks in one package scares me... If the two locks installed a valve are not exactly the same dimensions, one of the locks will have almost all of the spring load on its groove rather than shared between the two

05-17-2014, 06:29 PM	#2
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Manley 10° +.050" locks poor qa/qc ??? Sorry man! I had a brain frt. Mine are Comp. Always checked correctly. I should just keep quiet. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA Last edited by Ed Wright; 05-17-2014 at 09:19 PM.*

05-18-2014, 02:54 AM	#3
MAURICE BLENDHEIM Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Langley (no igloos), British Columbia, Canada Posts: 569 Likes: 311 Liked 284 Times in 87 Posts	Re: Manley 10° +.050" locks poor qa/qc ??? Kevin…We have also experienced the same problems. Manley retainers have been an issue for us too. Alternative choices were made to get around it. Hopefully they are not trading Quality for "offshore" profit. MB.

05-19-2014, 10:56 AM	#4
ss wannabee Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 663 Likes: 0 Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Manley 10° +.050" locks poor qa/qc ??? Who makes a decent retainer/lock today? I've got Crane and Lunati pieces...but nothing in the added height should I need to go there....The ones I have hopefully were made in the good 'ol USA...as they have been here for quite some time... Anybody get 'em from Trick Titanium?

05-19-2014, 12:30 PM	#5
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Manley 10° +.050" locks poor qa/qc ??? I've had good luck with Comp. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

06-01-2014, 09:18 PM	#8
BillK Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Waldorf Md Posts: 230 Likes: 12 Liked 30 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Manley 10° +.050" locks poor qa/qc ??? Kevin, One thing I have found on the Manley locks and retainers, they measure different when used with another manufacturers parts. For instance if you take a Comp retainer and measure the installed hgt with a Comp lock, and then try it again with a Manley lock, it will measure different. I found this out a long time ago. I pretty much stick with one manufacturers parts. If I am using Comp retainers, I use their locks. Comp seems to be the most consistent over time. I have some single Comp retainers I bought 15 years ago for checking stuff and they still are identical to what you buy today. I would bet Crane is the same way. Cant say that for most other brands. Some of the less expensive house brand stuff is the worse, it will vary from part to part in the same package __________________ Bill Koustenis