VP and Sunoco
 

Fuel Tech
If one track does not have VP or Sunoco.
Will is mess us Fuel Check if needed to go with the other Fuel?

Or Sunoco GTX and Supreme
D

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Yes.

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Hey: Name one NHRA track that does fuel check for class cars and does not sell VP, Sunoco or some other brand that is on the accepted list.

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Very confused....
FUEL CHECK...
What are they checking for?
Specific Gravity?

Mixing an Unleaded Fuel Sunoco 260GTX and Leaded Supreme.
Both listed as legal fuels would cause a car to be DQed?

This does not make sense..

Not every track has all the blends.
Especially Sunoco 260GTX

Dan

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Fuel check is using a dielectric constant meter that has been zeroed against a standard such as Cyclohexane or Indolene. Typically Cyclohexane. IF it passes, ok....IF not, yer outa there regardless of what fuel you claim.That method of NHRA fuel check has been in place for many decades.
Now I heard that if you used some 1,4 dioxane.......well, that is another story. LOL


Regards,
HB2:)
Dissident

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We run VP and don’t prefer switching back and forth to Sunoco (which is at more NhRA tracks) so we just plan ahead and bring what we need. That is really all you need to do If the Sunoco xxx is what you prefer. Mixing is a problem, so don’t do it.

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I like the unleaded Sunoco 260GTX the best.
Just do not see it much at the tracks.
Then Forced to run the Leaded.

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I prefer VP fuel and have a distributor close to me. I purchase my fuel there and carry enough with me for the race. Typically I carry about 15 gallons along with me. In the past I have had difficulties with the Sunoco fuel and fuel check so I went back to VP. Very rarely do I have any issues with fuel check using VP C12. If you mix the fuel you will have problems at fuel check. Sometimes if you change fuel and don't get all of it out of the system before the new fuel is put in it can cause it to fail. Best is to pick one type of fuel and have enough on hand so you don't have to go through those gyrations.

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If you want to run an approved fuel that's not readily available, you will need to bring an ample supply with you. Changing fuels at the track will require pumping out old fuel, flushing with your new fuel, and I usually have the fuel tested before I go to the lanes to be sure I will pass.

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And Dan, you can call Jason at Insinger and get fuel if it's not available at the track.

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Careful transporting fuel ... I believe over 15 gallons (inc fuel cell) requires DOT placard and DOT rules ...

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What is the most common Sunoco and VP fuel carried at tracks?
I do not see Sunoco 260 GTX much at all.

Dan

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Not sure if this varies by state.

I picked up two 55 gallon drums of fuel a few months ago for some friends. I was told this was totally legal, AND, I could have taken two more drum of Alky to go along with that race fuel since they have different numbers on the tag indicating what was in the drum. I was told there is a weight limit, not a gallon limit.

Also was told I could legally transport up to 900 pounds of radioactive materials without a permit...........

But like most things, when the State and Federal Government gets involved, things get messed-up! Some states require a CDL for our tow rigs, others don't. Would be nice to have common laws across the country, but that will never happen.

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My toter holds 100 gallons of fuel so I doubt they would care about 15 gallons of gasoline. I do haul it in the VP 5 gallon steel containers. I also have a 25 gallon gas tank for the generator in the trailer, Sometimes I carry a couple of 5 gallon containers of Non Ethanol gas for the golf cart and the small suitcase generator.

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Everything I have ever found says that placarding is not required if the total weight of the fuel is under 440 lbs and packaged in containers less than 8 gallons.

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:oI ordered this fuel locally and it took over 2 months to show up. VP C10 is easier to get at least here.

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CFR49 states that hazardous materials placards applies to shipping companies and drivers hauling commerce. It does not apply to private individuals.

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Here you go Dan , pick it up or have it shipped,, cheap enough !!


https://petroleumservicecompany.com/...4-gallon-drum/

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1,4 dioxane acts like an ether. It will pass the fuel check ?

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Why do fuels change one day as legal!
Later does not pass?
What fuel blends tend to fail the most?

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I have had great luck with VP passing . I buy the five gallon cans and they always pass, even if they sit for a year.

If you don’t have a fuel cell in your car, do yourself a favor and put one in. I think a stock tank would allow more of the fuel to evaporate and that is a problem if the car sits a bit between races. Sure you can drain it out and re seal it if you want. Fuel cell is safer as well

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Fuel Cell....hmm

Got an 8 gallon tank made to replace the stock tank.
Is there an advantage to having a fuel cell.

I like the having a big trunk to keep stuff in.
Will a fuel cell fit where the stock tank is?

D

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I have had trouble with Sunoco failing fuel check. All out of the same 5 gallon can I bought from Sunoco at the track that weekend. Pass one time, failed next pass.
VP C11 has always passed for me.

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What causes fuel to Pass one day and the next Fail ?

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Mystery question. How about: overheating, not in a sealed container, contact with direct sunlight or the guy checking the sample.

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A change in the dielectric constant check will bounce you. Ask the folks in fuel check....they will offer suggestions. IF fuel has set for some time and evaporated some of the "light ends" of the hydrocarbons will definitely change the dielectric constant. This is not a "he said, she said, they said" kind of deal......

Regards to All that might like this kind of stuff,
HB2:)

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I’ve seen cars with a valve on the fuel cell vent.
Close it when the car is parked overnight to slow the evaporation process.
Open your trailer with the car in there after sitting a while with an open fuel cell vent and certain fuels and you immediately smell the fuel.

C-11 in particular really very noticeable when I ran it.

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Temperature effects fuel vaporization along with how well the container its stored in is sealed. Use only metal , no plastic. Race fuels have different Vaporization rates. Read your fuel specs, there's a lot of information there that is useful.

Steve Teeter. STK/SS. 6380/6283

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I keep the cans sealed, keep them in the shade. I have taken two new cans to Fuel check, had one pass, one did not. This was when Sunoco first showed up. May be more consistent now. Been looking after my wife the last two years. Have not been able to race. Not sure I wil ever be able to come back.

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It evidently just barely passed, then barely failed. Maybe it's beter now. Sunoco refinery is just a few miles from me, and several of my shop's customers working there, I wanted to use it. VP C11 has always passed for me.

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I have a heavy duty VP Plastic Container.
Normally buy fuel at the track and then pour in the tank.

Figure the metal tank would be more reactive than a plastic container.
Have stored fuel in the Plastic Container between races.
Not noticed any performance difference from gas stations over the certified NHRA fuels.

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Sorry to hear that, never easy dealing with a sick family member, surely a reality check on what is important in life. Best of luck to the two of you!