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joe huestis 02-24-2014 09:30 PM

Metric 200 Trans
 
Approximately how much would a metric 200 Trans set up for a small block chevy application run to build for stock elim. if you provide your own core ?

Dave Ribeiro 02-24-2014 11:35 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Joe,

Depends on who you deal with, I would say $1,400 to 2,500 for a good
one ... That's not a Mclay or Pro-trans , they are twice as much... Check with Jim Woods , I think he had a couple of them with Convertors for$ 2,500 That's a great deal , maybe he will sell just one ??? Good Luck & it's the way to go... Contact me if you need some help picking one....

Alan Roehrich 02-24-2014 11:57 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Try Thomas Arnett in Kentucky. His son Clay posts here.

HandOverFist 02-25-2014 10:22 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 422060)
Try Thomas Arnett in Kentucky. His son Clay posts here.

Yes, Arnett did ours as well. I think he can do one without any trick internals for around $1500 or so...without convertor of course.

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...pse33924d1.jpg

Clay Arnett 02-27-2014 02:00 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Give us a call sometime. 270-338-6325 Price range varies depending on what you want but a 200 can be done very reasonably.

Bobby Lundholm 02-27-2014 05:05 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Is it possible to have a 350 input shaft in a 200 trans?

Dion Hildebrandt 02-27-2014 05:46 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Lundholm (Post 422432)
Is it possible to have a 350 input shaft in a 200 trans?

yes, that is what I have

Greg Hill 02-27-2014 06:21 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Call Thomas Arnett. He does all my stuff (200's), they work great and last, and we're not easy on them. Plus he's a good guy.

Dale Hulquist 02-27-2014 06:45 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
That's a fact Jack, Arnett builds a great 200 metric, I tried to break one for years and couldn't do it, over 300 passes.Dale H

ken robinson 03-02-2014 10:32 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
I like that suport brace . Whats the most popular first gear ratio 2.75 GM factory gear. Dose anyboby make a falward shift valve body or are they all reverse pattern .

HandOverFist 03-02-2014 10:37 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Mine's forward...P-R-N-3-2-1

Alan Roehrich 03-02-2014 12:02 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Lundholm (Post 422432)
Is it possible to have a 350 input shaft in a 200 trans?

To make that work, you need a modified forward input drum, to accept that shaft, and a modified pump, to accept the stator shaft. Both the stator shaft and the input shaft are different.

Rob Petrie E395 03-02-2014 12:50 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
If you were in the salvage yard looking for a 200 to be modified for racing. Is one better than another or are they all the same? If there is a difference whats the best models to look for it in?

Alan Roehrich 03-02-2014 12:59 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Petrie E395 (Post 422695)
If you were in the salvage yard looking for a 200 to be modified for racing. Is one better than another or are they all the same? If there is a difference whats the best models to look for it in?

I suppose a V8 car, if it has the original transmission, might be better. It is highly unlikely to find an original Metric 200 in the car it came in at this point, production ceased a long time ago. Maybe a Malibu, if you happened to find an old 305 V8 car with low miles in great shape.

FED 387 03-02-2014 03:00 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
look at 76-87 v6 G bodys /some of the V8 cars had them too--some 76-about 82 Fbodys maybe an Olds/Impala from the same era-- they are out there you just hafta find an older car--- maybe even buy the whole car if you can find a clunker "real cheap" -- even some Isuzu cars had them ---overall usually found in low HP lighter weight vehicles

Rob Petrie E395 03-02-2014 04:32 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Thanks guys. I have access to a salvage yard that went out of business in the early 90's. Its like walking through the jungle now but there are a ton of cars there. Next time I am down that way I will see what I can find.

Bobby Lundholm 03-03-2014 09:10 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 422688)
To make that work, you need a modified forward input drum, to accept that shaft, and a modified pump, to accept the stator shaft. Both the stator shaft and the input shaft are different.

Thanks Alan. I responded to your email to Oliver Connecting Rods about torque specs for our bolts. Let me know if you guys need anything.

Alan Roehrich 03-03-2014 09:27 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Lundholm (Post 422798)
Thanks Alan. I responded to your email to Oliver Connecting Rods about torque specs for our bolts. Let me know if you guys need anything.

Yeah Bobby, I sent a reply, not sure if you got it. Thanks.

FED 387 03-03-2014 10:14 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
not sure whats in that yard but look at full size olds /Pontiac/buick with V6 engines lotsa them had 200's some of the V8's did too--Camaro/Fbird from 77-to maybe 81-2 ---lotsa Gbody V6 from about 77-80-81--- watch the bellhousing bolt patterns I assume you want a Chevy they made lotsa them BOP bolt pattern !!!!! also S-10S-15 2 wheel driv0 vehicles but they mostly used the 60* V6 smaller bolt pattern and bellhousings too kinda looks like a standard Chevy one--all in all its gonna be hit or miss some cars may of had em others got something else you will just have to look--FED387

Bobby Lundholm 03-03-2014 10:16 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 422800)
Yeah Bobby, I sent a reply, not sure if you got it. Thanks.

Never got it. We've been having issues with our email during our network change over.

Rich Biebel 03-03-2014 11:01 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
I had a 305 El Camino.....78 or 79...It had a Metric trans in it.

I swapped in a T-350 when the 200 started going bad and it really slowed that car down. I raced it in street et before and after the trans change. A total dog with the T-350......engine had wrong stuff on it for the rear gear and the trans swap aggravated it.....

Jim Kaekel 03-03-2014 01:23 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel (Post 422809)
I had a 305 El Camino.....78 or 79...It had a Metric trans in it.

I swapped in a T-350 when the 200 started going bad and it really slowed that car down. I raced it in street et before and after the trans change. A total dog with the T-350......engine had wrong stuff on it for the rear gear and the trans swap aggravated it.....

I would think that the lower gear ratios of the TH-200 really helped the lower HP 305. The TH-200 has a 2.75 1st, while the TH-350 is 2.52. Plus the added rotating weight that the TH-350 has as well. That's probably why the car was a dog after the swap.

Rich Biebel 03-03-2014 04:15 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Yes on both accounts.

I rebuilt the engine. Put to big a cam in it and the intake was also a poor choice. It had very a very high rear gear in it and add all that up and it was incredibly slow.

I shallow staged it the first time I raced it......used only first and second and the next time I raced it....I deep staged it and had it stalled as high as it would go and just let go of the brake.....I was hitting good Rt's like that...
I think it slowed down about 1 second with those changes.

Way too slow for me.....17 seconds. I was in between racecars and did it for fun...

Lost in the semis by .001 pedaling with the radio on and looking out the back window....LOL

G Anderson 03-04-2014 09:05 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
[QUOTE=Rob Petrie E395;422695]If you were in the salvage yard looking for a 200 to be modified for racing. Is one better than another or are they all the same? If there is a difference whats the best models to look for it in?[/QUO

200-C is what I have been told and look for the later ones that have the input shaft extension for the lock-up converter

ss3011 03-05-2014 12:06 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
The 200-C was first released in 1981. There were several fixes in that series of transmissions, including an improved servo assembly and 3rd gear circuit, and an improved pump assembly. From 1981 through 1988 the basic transmission was the same.

The Hawk 03-05-2014 08:20 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ken robinson (Post 422674)
I like that suport brace . Whats the most popular first gear ratio 2.75 GM factory gear. Dose anyboby make a falward shift valve body or are they all reverse pattern .

Turbo Action makes a forward shift manual valve body.

Mark Yacavone 03-05-2014 11:17 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
[quote=G Anderson;423044]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Petrie E395 (Post 422695)
If you were in the salvage yard looking for a 200 to be modified for racing. Is one better than another or are they all the same? If there is a difference whats the best models to look for it in?[/QUO

200-C is what I have been told and look for the later ones that have the input shaft extension for the lock-up converter


Yes, and the plug for the lock up wiring.
We just chop the nub off the input shaft with a cut off wheel.
Some of the early models had a large, single piston servo which can be used in a real low budget build.

joe huestis 03-06-2014 11:50 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Would a metric 200 from a '76 Chevy 305 work as a decent core for a small block stock elim. application ?

Mark Yacavone 03-07-2014 06:30 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joe huestis (Post 423343)
Would a metric 200 from a '76 Chevy 305 work as a decent core for a small block stock elim. application ?

Yes ,it would be fine.
I just took in an early Chevy T 200 nice working core this morning.
I can build someone a nice budget starter unit just like the one in Tibor's car...Turbo Action valve body..forward or reverse, low drag tricks, etc

$1000 plus shipping ...paid for in advance.
Let me know if someone wants it.
Call or write, text

impstocker 03-07-2014 07:25 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Could I use a 200 in my BBC 396/325 65 Impala I am building? Weight would be 3800-4100 lb car. I have a TH 350 I plan on putting in the car- just wondering?

Will Lamprecht 65 Impala I/SA in progress

Mark Yacavone 03-08-2014 11:08 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by impstocker (Post 423486)
Could I use a 200 in my BBC 396/325 65 Impala I am building? Weight would be 3800-4100 lb car. I have a TH 350 I plan on putting in the car- just wondering?

Will Lamprecht 65 Impala I/SA in progress

I can give you a definite answer on that....
Maybe!

Mike Jones 03-10-2014 05:40 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by impstocker (Post 423486)
Could I use a 200 in my BBC 396/325 65 Impala I am building? Weight would be 3800-4100 lb car. I have a TH 350 I plan on putting in the car- just wondering?

Will Lamprecht 65 Impala I/SA in progress

A friend put one behind a 455 Buick GS Stocker
Lasted about 10 passes, before it grenaded in the lights

Bob Bender 03-10-2014 06:14 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Newine (Post 423889)
A friend put one behind a 455 Buick GS Stocker
Lasted about 10 passes, before it grenaded in the lights

That car was 3700 lbs. I was in other lane, got a flat rear tire in the lights. Not fun.

Mike Jones 03-10-2014 07:38 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Bender (Post 423898)
That car was 3700 lbs. I was in other lane, got a flat rear tire in the lights. Not fun.

I forgot that part of the story, Mr Bender
How are you sir?

Dave Ribeiro 03-10-2014 08:35 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
It all depends on Who builds it, I have had no- problems with Sepanek for over 12 years.. My car weights 3850 # , did have a crack housing once & that's the weakest link with those old housing ? Yes, the brace helps but if you lose a rear-end . First thing to check is Trans housing & tranny gears,
sprags ...

Good luck, go with a good tranny guy and be done with it.. Metric -200 is the way to go, do the math ? If you buy a T-350 or glide you still have to buy a lower first gear ??? The Metic 200 comes with a 275 first gear, you just saved $500 , so $1000-1200 doesn't look bad at all .... Also , 50-60 lbs lighter , what's not to like ??? Way more racer are using them and not saying anything, what does that tell you !!!!

HandOverFist 03-11-2014 01:11 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
Thomas Arnett runs one of his 200's in his big block '69 Camaro Stocker...best pass so far is a 9.89 I believe.

Lyn Smith 03-11-2014 10:16 AM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
IF you are going to run a metric in a heavier car,(3600lbs.and up) i would spend the extra $300. or so and get the good bellhousing put on it from the start.

ss3011 03-11-2014 06:09 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
What manufacturer makes bellhousings for the 200 ? Can you get one for a BOP case ?

jim powers 03-11-2014 06:15 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
i believe the jw bell has both patterns

stocker4046 03-11-2014 06:59 PM

Re: Metric 200 Trans
 
purchased two J W Bell's about $330


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