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sc3283 09-29-2010 01:16 AM

Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
I have been out of the nat'l event/divisional event deal for a long time now. I attended the Sports Nat's @ Columbus and while taking it all in....saw a S/ST racer break his car on Sat afternoon and be allowed to go home and get another car and compete in the shoot out and the event. When did NHRA start allowing this again? if memory serves correctly they stopped that back in the 80s.

All who raced @ Columbus....great watching you all again!

thanx

CBS 09-29-2010 09:24 AM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
I don't believe that should have been allowed......I suspect he didn't ask and just showed up with another car....

Chris Williams 09-29-2010 10:27 AM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
It is largely at the event director's discretion:

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHRA Rulebook
REPLACEMENT VEHICLES
The event director has the option of allowing a driver to utilize a replacement vehicle, but only under the following conditions:
1. The original vehicle is withdrawn from competition and cannot be
reinstated.
2. Replacement vehicle cannot have been utilized by any other
contestant at the same event.
3. Replacement vehicle must be fully certified and must pass
technical inspection prior to continuation of competition.
4. Driver must stay within original eliminator category and class
entered.
5. Sportsman categories: All previous event times are voided for
the vehicles and drivers involved. Changes must be made and driver must re-qualify during the normal schedule, as posted for the event. No changes are permitted after qualifying has been completed.
Professional categories: Driver retains qualifying times and standings as posted while driving the original entered vehicle. Replacement vehicles can be utilized during the course of any remaining qualifying sessions or for the start of elimination competition. Once eliminations are in progress - under normal scheduling - replacement vehicles are not permitted for subsequent rounds.
6. Checkout runs for replacement vehicles are not available.
7. Teams are limited to one replacement vehicle action per event.
8. A replacement vehicle change plus a driver change is NOT
permitted.


sc1153 09-29-2010 10:28 AM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
I will not mention who it was. However I know for a fact that there was a s/c racer that broke his car and brought out his other car for first round. He lost, but it was an car NOT raced in time runs.

FED 387 09-29-2010 10:30 AM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
I think he is referring to the "EDDIE HILL" rule but I think it only applies to Top Fuel or Funny Car not sure about any Sportsman classes tho---Comp 387

Bob Verwold 09-29-2010 01:05 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
The S/St racer in question didn't break any of the replacement vehicle rules. Also I was under the impression that he was told he could switch cars.
As he's a member on here I'm sure he will have some input ....

SSTRACER323 09-29-2010 01:19 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
When i broke an axle at Indy, i was told i can not use a replacement car.
Jay H. Div director told me i can roll my car up pass the white line before the burnout box for credit of first round. I could not use my truck or another car cause i qualified that car.

sc1153 09-29-2010 02:11 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSTRACER323 (Post 213765)
When i broke an axle at Indy, i was told i can not use a replacement car.
Jay H. Div director told me i can roll my car up pass the white line before the burnout box for credit of first round. I could not use my truck or another car cause i qualified that car.

The person I am referring to in s/c did not qualify the car and was adjusting the throttle stop stall in the lanes for R1. Btw both of his cars look identical, maybe he just pulled a fast one

Nitro Joe Jackson 09-29-2010 04:33 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
I've always been told for the Super classes, a driver that breaks his or hers car, can re enter a car that HAS NOT been through tech at that event. The SST racer i don't think or feel did anything wrong, but if the SC racer ran that car Chris was talking about in TD, now that was wrong and got by with a fast one.

SSTRACER323 09-29-2010 07:28 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
But if Tech closes at Noon on Saturday, how can he tech the car Saturday night and run during the normal sched? :rolleyes:


5. Sportsman categories: All previous event times are voided for
the vehicles and drivers involved. Changes must be made and driver must re-qualify during the normal schedule, as posted for the event. No changes are permitted after qualifying has been completed.

Chris Williams 09-29-2010 07:30 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSTRACER323 (Post 213824)
But if Tech closes at Noon on Saturday, how can he tech the car Saturday night? :rolleyes:

IF they followed the rules (see above) they'd need the permission of the race director to make the change, and they could then ask for them to tech the replacement car.

Ron Finney 09-29-2010 07:56 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
If he was in the shoot out then he clearly violated the rules. #5 says that all previous qualifying runs are voided. Therefore, he should not have made it into the shootout.

I'm just saying......

Chris Williams 09-29-2010 08:25 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSTRACER323 (Post 213824)
Changes must be made and driver must re-qualify during the normal schedule, as posted for the event. No changes are permitted after qualifying has been completed.

If it was SC, there is no qualifying (save the shootout, as noted), but rather only time runs. Not sure how this rule would effect that.

DEWMAN 09-29-2010 09:25 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
Hear is the deal I broke at 9:22 sat morning. I had a trany and yoke but no drive shaft, I had 20 people offer parts but no one had a drive shaft. At 10:13 I talked to RICH B. and
he told me to check with JAY H.
JAY asked me if the other car was at the event and if it had been entered, since it was
not in competition it was OK but it had to be teched in before tech closes at 1:00 on sat. So I rolled back to the house and loaded it up,then I rolled back in the track at 11:32 am and went to tech with my tech card. After i was teched in I was not offered a time run again. But they said i was still in the shootout. I lost first round of the shootout and sundays race. And there you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



DEWMAN SST 3260
10.900@145. 00 NO I MEAN 132.00 OR WAS IT 116.00

Brad1212 09-29-2010 09:45 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
The S/C car you are talking about broke the 1st car on friday then took the 2nd car thru tech on Saturday morning before his time trial I beleive. I was parked by tech and was wondering why he was going thru again on Saturday so I asked him and he explained that he had broken the other car. I don't know the rules but I'm pretty sure he explained to the tech official exactly what happened.

sc1153 09-29-2010 11:23 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad1212 (Post 213851)
The S/C car you are talking about broke the 1st car on friday then took the 2nd car thru tech on Saturday morning before his time trial I beleive. I was parked by tech and was wondering why he was going thru again on Saturday so I asked him and he explained that he had broken the other car. I don't know the rules but I'm pretty sure he explained to the tech official exactly what happened.

Wow i never knew you can enter a different car. Not like I really care, he was at a HUGE disadvantage anyway, so I am glad he was still able to race, and if he won MORE POWER TO HIM

Lou SG2340 09-30-2010 06:44 AM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
A couple of years ago Sherman Addock broke his car at Silver Dollar. Borrowed David Watson's Chevy11 which was not entered, Won the race & won the SG Championship

C and W Racing 09-30-2010 08:59 AM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
At Reynolds several years ago, I entered my Thunderbird in Super gas. It was the first time out after having wrecked the car and a new chassis installed. After fighting chassis setup and not getting down the track comfortably, I asked Bill Holt if I could withdraw my Thunderbird and enter my Ranger. He asked me if it had been teched in for this race, which I told him no. He told me I could withdraw the Thunderbird and enter the Ranger. So I was able to race with the Ranger without having made any time runs. Went four rounds on Sunday, so of course I started telling people time runs were overrated. LOL. I was told later that they had picked the Thunderbird for best engineering, but since I had withdrawn the car they gave the award to someone else.
Chuck

SCOTT SST2871 09-30-2010 09:27 AM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
In 2003 i went to gainesville and somehow broke a piston ring on the first pass.a friend offered me his car but it had been entered already and then parked bill holt said no! It started raining and didnt look like it would stop anytime soon so,we tore the engine apart pulled the piston fixed the ring and had it back together about 11 pm about the same time it quit raining and was in the lanes the next morning so i believe if the car wasnt entered in the event you could use it
scott fifield

Ron Finney 09-30-2010 10:39 AM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
Sounds like it was a division call....no fault of Dewman. If they say he is in, he's in. I wouldn't question the call either if I was in that situation. Not sure it helps bring any clarity to the rules though, but what else is new with this stuff.....

SSTRACER323 09-30-2010 01:29 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
Well that tells the story then.... that is cool that Jay did that.

In my situation it was later on Saturday, so i was S.O.L.

Chris Williams 09-30-2010 03:22 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
I'm just sitting here wondering what it's like to have two cars in the garage ready to race... And what it's like to live close enough to a track to be able to load up a car, go home, unload it, load up the other, drive back, and unload in time to be in tech within 79 minutes. The track we raced at last weekend was an 8.5 hour drive -- each way. :eek:

Bob Verwold 09-30-2010 03:53 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
He didn't take the broke car home, he just went home and loaded the other car on another trailer and pulled it to the track with another truck........And that's the rest of the story!!!

Chris Williams 09-30-2010 04:27 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Verwold (Post 213986)
He didn't take the broke car home, he just went home and loaded the other car on another trailer and pulled it to the track with another truck........And that's the rest of the story!!!

Almost as impressive. Has two cars capable of running in the same class, both sitting there ready to go. Has another spare truck and trailer sitting there too. And lives close enough to be there and back in just over an hour. I have none of those three conditions. :)

Bill Webb 09-30-2010 08:50 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
The S/C driver was Chris Bear and he always has two diggers in his trailer. A friend of his was going to race the other car in the bracket race. Chris had a crack in a cylinder head below the Jesel rocker bar. He went and asked Jay if he could switch cars and Jay said as long as it wasnt entered or been teched it was fine.

I think both drivers handled the situation well within the rules.

Michael Pliska 10-02-2010 11:22 AM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
You aren't required to make a time run in the .90 classes, are you? While it was years ago, I have run both a divisional (and ended up in the semis) and a national without time runs (in both cases I had broken the car bracket racing it the prior Wednesday, and had to scramble it back together). The divisional involved two trailer flats too on the way! Nobody even questioned it, although it was traffic jam of people trying to line up next to me first round!

Chris Williams 10-02-2010 11:53 AM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
You're right, time runs are a courtesy for SC/SG racers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHRA Rulebook
All qualifiers in Top Fuel, Funny Car, Pro Stock, Pro Stock Motorcycle, Top Alcohol Dragster, Top Alcohol Funny Car, Comp, Super Stock, and Stock must have a valid elapsed time recorded to be placed into eliminator competition. If conditions should curtail scheduled qualifying attempts in Super Stock or Stock categories, the event director has the option of placing non-qualified entrants into the field.

Note the conspicuously absent Super categories. There's no ladder until after round one, so it doesn't matter. Under "Ladders":

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHRA Rulebook
Super Comp, Super Gas, and Super Street use random pairings for the initial round of competition, with those first-round winning times determining subsequent round pairings.

You could show up for round one and go. Tough to be competitive, but it's been done.

Michael Pliska 10-02-2010 04:08 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Williams (Post 214228)
You're right, time runs are a courtesy for SC/SG racers.



Note the conspicuously absent Super categories. There's no ladder until after round one, so it doesn't matter. Under "Ladders":



You could show up for round one and go. Tough to be competitive, but it's been done.

Yup, I was worried there would be fender-benders in the scramble to get at the duck for 1st round. I remember thinking at the time, I didn't care if I won any more rounds, I just wanted to send the "winning" duck hunter home! I managed to do that both times.

Chris Williams 10-02-2010 05:08 PM

Re: Break car & allowed replacement @ Columbus??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Pliska (Post 214248)
Yup, I was worried there would be fender-benders in the scramble to get at the duck for 1st round. I remember thinking at the time, I didn't care if I won any more rounds, I just wanted to send the "winning" duck hunter home! I managed to do that both times.

I love being thought to be the duck. When we first started running, it was a stitch to have people hunt us out, with my daughter (who is 24 but looks 16) driving, and then send them home. After a short while, they learned and went duck hunting elsewhere.


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