1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

Has anyone toyed with this combination in stock (O/SA or P/SA)? Not a common combination but just wondering if anyone has had any luck going under the index with it? If so, any suggestions?

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

I have a customer who ran that for a while. I think about 3-4 tenths under is as good as he did with it. There are a lot better combinations for a Nova.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

thanks for the response, I have heard it to be a bad combination from alot of people. I posted a new thread. Maybe you or someone can help with some 350 options...I think that would put the nova in M/SA or K/SA depending on a 2 barrel or 4 barrel combination...I am new to this though so I could easily be wrong.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

I looked at this combo (307/2bbl) myself to get my feet wet in Stock but in speaking with Billy Nees he said that the carb was too small to really work. He was helping out a guy who was running this combo but I think the guy gave up on it. I think a few years ago, Bobby Lundholm(sp) D-2, was running the 350/2bbl with success.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

It was my dad that was running the 350 with 2 barrell. We took it to the Montgomery open when they had it around Thanksgiving and ran low 12's in mineshaft air. I still have the 2 barrell manifold if anyone is interested in it.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

Well, like I said I am new to this stuff but I am trying to get a successful combination together for my nova and I just wanted to know what was out there to buy or build myself.
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Tim Wilson HR SST 4301

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

You know, Billy Nees has been running the 307-2bbl. in his 4 door '70 Nova in R/SA. He has gone more than 4 under without really diving hard into the combo. I know it's been pretty consistant. That and his string of double O lights, he's gone deep into the eliminations at a couple of points meets.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

Bob I might be interested

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mark callanan

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

I run my car as a 72 (307/175) which would be the combo to do as the 70 and 72 are basically the same except for 20 less HP. It has gone a bit more than .5 under and it is a good "bracket" car but the bottom line is the carb is just too small to ever go really fast. If I did get "serious" with it I think that it could be about an .8 under car but that's about it.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

Billy you have a 3 speed in the car yet? I'm going to work on getting the 68 with a powerglide only reduced...so maybe it ( dads 4-door) can fit T/SA.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

I appreciate the info.. I am not real sure what I am going to build or get just yet, I just have the original 307 now and thought it might be a good starter combination but I didn't want to have to work real hard on a combination and still fall short of the index. It sounds like it may be in my best interest to go with try something other than a 307...I am really used to no/e racing in the 10 second to 12 second range so I may be looking for a combination that will put me there.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

Tim, just a little food for thought, you mentioned looking for a "starter combination". The biggest problem that you will have with building a 350 or 396 combo (even the 2V) is going to be with the classes that these combos fall into. You can build a "starter combo" and go racing with these combinations but you had better be willing to get beat in any heads up races that you may run into. I'm not trying to dissuade you from coming into Stock Eliminator but I do want you to understand coming in that it's (contrary to what you might hear) not like building a SST or Bracket car. Where I'm going with this is that you might consider doing the 307 car (do it as a 71 or 72 it fits Q and R) because you're going to be dealing with a combo that any competent machine shop can build for you. The carb is too small but on the plus side because of that it doesn't need an "enhanced" set of heads and intake and it won't want a big cam that will kill valvetrain parts. Think of it kind of like a "kindergarden" combo! It will let you into the eliminator to learn the ropes and the right people to deal with so that when you do "step up" you will be in a position to know the right people to go to and parts to get. Just my $.02

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

thanks Billy, I will still heavily consider the 307...like I said it is what I have already and I am sure I can build it pretty cheap. I am planning on trying to get it together by next year and if successful then I will run IHRA and NHRA div4 stuff. If I do go with the 307 I might have to contact you or anyone else you might recommend with some questions as I go with it.

If you don't mind me asking...what is a good stall converter, shift point, and crossing point rpm. My dad has built transmissions and converters for a long time (Wilson Racing transmissions and converters Moore, OK) so I can play around with it, but I would like to know where to start...thanks.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

Tim, billy1188@dejazzd.com

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Billy Nees, what are your thoughts on the 307 combo in a '70 chevelle. I think this would be a natural Q car, not sure though.

I know the carb is still the issue. But i also have the parts to build a 307. I already race in stock but with a crate motor and im looking for the "NHRA" option for next season.

Thanks,

John Beasaw III
F/CM 1096
'70 chevelle

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

John, again you should do a 71 or 72 car for thr HP. Believe it or not, I like the Chevelle better than the Nova because it can make U/SA.

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Billy -
Wouldn't the '77-'79 305 2-bbl also be a good choice because of the bigger carb and better intake/head? Lots of choices for cheap bodies.

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Dwight
Didn't you have a post on here aways back, "quite aways", about a guy who ran that 305, 2bl combo, in a Malibu/Camaro? Went 3 or 4 under before the hp drop?

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

78 305 2V combo is much better than the 307. Better head, intake (aluminum) and carb (325cfm vs. 266 cfm). Tim said that he had a 70 Nova so I am assuming that he will want to use it.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

skooter -

Not that I remember. I did a litle post a few years back rationalizing the 305 for the U/SA wars, but nobody seemed interested.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

I don't have any old "Nitro Joes" lying around (they always wind up disappearing) but I think that within the past year or 2 someone was running a 78 Malibu in Q/SA With the 2V 305 in Div. 4 and I believe that it ran quite well.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

No question about it. If I were going to build a 2V car , It would be a 78 Camaro or Firebird 305.
Look at the shape and frontal area of those cars and then compare them to anything else that has already run well with that combo.
Those cars are still all over the place,easy to build, and can be changed over to several different higher HP combos later on.
They run R,T and U with the 305.

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

Billy that would have been James Hubbs. He ran 1.030 under last year @ Houston Div. 13.070 is a pretty good #.( Billy I have all the Joe's back to 2003 ;)

Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp
 

If anyone needs contact info on James Hubbs please send me an EMail or call me. James is a nice man and has a ton of SBC parts. I'm sure he would help you with anything you might need. Mike

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