Originally Posted by bubski (Post 687029)

Bubski is thinking like OK let's go roller for all !! Since this is "stock" wouldn't it be in the best interest of the rules to stay "stock" ??? So !! Ffford n Chevy "stock" rollers have a .700 lifter wheel diameter !! Every aftermarket roller is .750,.760 not really "stock" where you're supposed to abide by the "stock" rules !! Such as lifter diameter which is enforced but cam bearing diameter is a gray area !! Let's get even more into it !! .250-.280 lobes are not in every cam companies master list !! But Bubski's sure for a few bucks more they'll make a few concessions !! Sooo !! Now you can have a universal roller cam rule and make everyone with a roller go to stock roller diameters and spend some more cash on a set of lifters that are now legal !! However Bubski doesn't know of any race lifters at stock roller wheel dimensions !! However Bubski is sure a few will step up to the "cause" and kindly beat YOU over the head with a "stock" diameter roller lifter and accompanying valve train package !! Maybe it's time to break out the "lifter tru" and reevaluate your camshaft and valve spring choice !! SS has unlimited cam lift and the like !! Show Bubski a 305 with 1.250 lift !! It's not feasible and a BBC with an unrealistic camshaft is also unfeasible !! Sometimes you gotta work within the parameters you're given !! Cheers !!

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 687043)

Isn't the class you are running called "Stock". So if manufacture "F" used a better valve spring than manufacture "G". That might have bin a reason to maybe run manufacture "F" engine. At some point it seems people who run manufacture "G" felt entitled to be able to run manufacture "F" type springs. Before you ask, no I don't run a car in stock and have not for over 45 years.



Stan

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 687064)

Doesn't that all get worked out in AHFS and HP factors? That is the assumption with all rules changes that affect engine performance.

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 687066)

Roller cams will not solve the problem, and will not make it cheaper. It will only make it more expensive, change the failure mode, and cause more problems. It will create another R&D expense. It won't make anyone any faster, except maybe someone who has unlimited funds to invest in camshaft and valvetrain testing.Roller cams will simply cause more problems, and make nothing cheaper.


What will people cry about tearing up next? What rule change will they demand? How much will it cost?


Where will it stop?

Originally Posted by john ancona (Post 687069)

All this type of unfounded information ,that is just flat wrong again ,and again is not welcome by many

you may be better served by understanding there is a reason as to why many like running the older cars

Originally Posted by john ancona (Post 687069)

All this type of unfounded information ,that is just flat wrong again ,and again is not welcome by many ,simply put we are already using billet camshafts ground for solid lifters, that are DLC coated in order to run valve spring pressures well above the limits of a solid lifter at what is already what many say on this site as expensive , so maybe the uninformed may want to go do some of there own research as to the cost before they make false statements , I have said this before many times on this site since 1985 car manufactures have went to roller cams , and before all you opinionated racers express your own views telling others to run a car with roller lifters from the factory ,you may be better served by understanding there is a reason as to why many like running the older cars

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 687077)

Really?


And you have how many class wins with your big block Stock Eliminator engines? Because I have more than 1-2.


Oh, and I have a 9500 RPM+ 396-375 Super Stock engine as well.


Maybe YOU can't make a flat tappet Stock Eliminator engine run. That does not mean the rest of us can't. There are a ton of VERY fast big block Chevy stockers out there running flat tappet cams and having zero problems. Maybe you should ask yourself why YOU can't.