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nolongerracing 09-06-2021 09:34 AM
Re: To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 647333)
IF you have an effective monitoring board, the AHFS would not be necessary.
As I said before, you can't have people involved to make decisions. It has to be by numbers.

nolongerracing 09-06-2021 09:42 AM
Re: To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Parker (Post 647280)
How many people are making the same horsepower they did 10 or 5 years ago..
Yes, some are making more but not as much as some believe. There are a lot of bolt on parts that allows cars to be quicker..
Radial tires
Headers
Trans gear ratios
Convertor technology
FI tuning
Even suspension technology

Bob Shaw 09-06-2021 09:42 AM
Re: To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)
 
I have a good example of how the old factoring system worked.
In 1991 at the Topeka national race early on Friday morning in the cool air with a tail wind
I ran .70 under my 18.50 index and qualified #1. This was with a 86 HP Mercury Lynx. I happened to survive eliminations until Sunday afternoon. Then it was about 95 degrees and a head wind. I dialed the index and could not run it. So NHRA gave me 5 HP which moved me up a class and gave me a 17.25 index. My car was instantly obsolete. Nobody at NHRA was interested in talking to me about what they did.

Grey Ghost 09-06-2021 10:23 AM
Re: To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 647329)
1. AHFS starts at 1/8 mile.
2. At every national event where class is run, all class winners are in the qualified field, even single car class wins. Then fill out the field with top qualifiers.
3. One hp factor per engine. No more car-hp factors. A 350 in an big car carries the same factor as a small sporty car. If the engine is used in various makes and bodies, the factor applies to all. "Engine Families"
4. An independent board? Maybe. Only if it were made up of elected officials,

Run it like this for three years, then come back with complaints. In the meantime, it would be a new set of acts for entertainment.
100% agree. But why bother with class run offs if the AHFS is in effect...just go down and watch a round of Super Gas qualifying.

Charley Downing 09-06-2021 11:09 AM
Re: To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)
 
It’s real simple if a combo has two runs over -1.00. No runs under -.75 sould towards bring the ave down. It’s to easy to lower your avg now that you have a whole season so save it. And let be fair if there are Manipulate runs over -1.00. Runs of -.45 to -.75 should not count.

Jeff Niceswanger 09-06-2021 11:38 AM
Re: To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charley Downing (Post 647345)
It’s real simple if a combo has two runs over -1.00. No runs under -.75 sould towards bring the ave down. It’s to easy to lower your avg now that you have a whole season so save it. And let be fair if there are Manipulate runs over -1.00. Runs of -.45 to -.75 should not count.
Hi Charlie !
That's an interesting concept. I bet every engine builder in the nation just read your post and passed out. LOL
I been told by all the engine builders I've had, Keown, Gulius, Gale Pawley, that there is next to no money in freshen ups. All their funding comes from new motors and the relentless desire to be at the top of the sheet. If your proposition was implemented, knowing very well that in a season your brand new 50 thousand dollar piece would be no better than your last, why build one ?

1347 09-06-2021 11:39 AM
Re: To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grey Ghost (Post 647342)
100% agree. But why bother with class run offs if the AHFS is in effect...just go down and watch a round of Super Gas qualifying.
Because 80% of the class is running flat out trying to win class. That's why

Grey Ghost 09-06-2021 01:43 PM
Re: To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1347 (Post 647348)
Because 80% of the class is running flat out trying to win class. That's why
As it should be. But what are the 20% doing...keeping it under the 1.20 even in the final to avoid the hit. Should not be using AHFS in any class run offs at any race.

1347 09-06-2021 02:37 PM
Re: To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grey Ghost (Post 647356)
As it should be. But what are the 20% doing...keeping it under the 1.20 even in the final to avoid the hit. Should not be using AHFS in any class run offs at any race.

So in no race should you be penalized for running more that 1.20 over in class? How about heads ups? If that's what you are saying, when should it be in effect, when you are dialing in or just trying to get a better spot on the Ladder?

And if that is what you are trying to say, when does the guy with a combo that's not as competitive as the guy that goes 1.30 under in class ever have a shot?

Grey Ghost 09-06-2021 03:34 PM
Re: To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1347 (Post 647359)
So in no race should you be penalized for running more that 1.20 over in class? How about heads ups? If that's what you are saying, when should it be in effect, when you are dialing in or just trying to get a better spot on the Ladder?

And if that is what you trying to say, when does the guy with a combo that's not as competitive as the guy that goes 1.30 under in class have a shot?
I'm talking about races where class run offs are being done not eliminations. In class run offs if your combo isn't as competitive as the combo going 1.30 are whatever under you are screwed. Thats the way it's always been. Slower combos DON'T win class run offs if faster combos are competing. If you want to win class your car needs to be competitive with the fastest cars running that class. If you go out to Indy running .6-.8 tenths under you may make the show depending on who shows up but you ain't going to be bring a Wally home for a class win.


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