Brakes

Adger Smith · 05-25-2014, 10:57 PM

Why would you want to put residual pressure valves in -line after the master cylinder? I know it might help with having to not pump the brakes to get the pads back on the rotors, but wouldn't it cause some drag and maybe inconsistency? Why a dual cylinder on a 2 wheel vehicle?
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C and W Racing · 05-26-2014, 08:35 AM

I have them on my car as well. It doesn't have any brake drag and yes, it keeps the brake pistons from retracting and me having to pump the brakes to get a pedal. I'm willing to bet that car has duel calipers on the rear which is why they plumbed it like that
Chuck

Tom Goldman · 05-26-2014, 09:00 AM

While firewall mounted master cylinders don't benefit much from residual valves , frame mounted ones that are lower than the caliper can maintain a firmer , more confiftant pedal with a 2# valve .
I suspect on a car with dual calipers , a little drag is not a concern .

Adger Smith · 05-26-2014, 10:29 AM

Back in the '90's I bought a Comp car from a championship team that had them.
It had residual valves that were located back on the rear end housing.
It had one to each caliper after the Tee on the housing. I have always wondered why it was done that way. For a car that had the dual (front brakes,too) master cylinder mounted down low on the frame rails it worked well. Still needed one pump to get a pedal with feel & the brake pressure gauge to respond. Another thing I found that was interesting was a brass cup that was placed in one of the fittings on the master cylinder side of the line lock. It had a .060 hole in it for fluid flow. I just figured it was a poor mans proportional valve. Could the cup plug have been there to place a little drag on the front brakes as the line lock was released? In dealing with Stick cars I know that a little "hold or drag" on the front brakes helps set the rear suspension & clutch. That usually helps E.T., too.
I'm going to plumb a Roadster I've had for some time. I've decided it's primary use will be for local index and bracket races.
Thanks for the replies. I'm sure they helped.
FWIW: any more ideas will be appreciated, too.
Adger Smith

05-25-2014, 10:57 PM	#1
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,351 Likes: 435 Liked 678 Times in 262 Posts	Brakes Why would you want to put residual pressure valves in -line after the master cylinder? I know it might help with having to not pump the brakes to get the pads back on the rotors, but wouldn't it cause some drag and maybe inconsistency? Why a dual cylinder on a 2 wheel vehicle? see picture: Attached Thumbnails __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS) Last edited by Adger Smith; 05-25-2014 at 10:58 PM. Reason: sp

05-26-2014, 08:35 AM	#2
C and W Racing Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 554 Likes: 5 Liked 10 Times in 1 Post	Re: Brakes I have them on my car as well. It doesn't have any brake drag and yes, it keeps the brake pistons from retracting and me having to pump the brakes to get a pedal. I'm willing to bet that car has duel calipers on the rear which is why they plumbed it like that Chuck

05-26-2014, 09:00 AM	#3
Tom Goldman VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Allentown,PA Posts: 2,436 Likes: 776 Liked 700 Times in 204 Posts	Re: Brakes While firewall mounted master cylinders don't benefit much from residual valves , frame mounted ones that are lower than the caliper can maintain a firmer , more confiftant pedal with a 2# valve . I suspect on a car with dual calipers , a little drag is not a concern . __________________ Tom Goldman 1500 SG , 1506 STK

05-26-2014, 10:29 AM	#4
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,351 Likes: 435 Liked 678 Times in 262 Posts	Re: Brakes Back in the '90's I bought a Comp car from a championship team that had them. It had residual valves that were located back on the rear end housing. It had one to each caliper after the Tee on the housing. I have always wondered why it was done that way. For a car that had the dual (front brakes,too) master cylinder mounted down low on the frame rails it worked well. Still needed one pump to get a pedal with feel & the brake pressure gauge to respond. Another thing I found that was interesting was a brass cup that was placed in one of the fittings on the master cylinder side of the line lock. It had a .060 hole in it for fluid flow. I just figured it was a poor mans proportional valve. Could the cup plug have been there to place a little drag on the front brakes as the line lock was released? In dealing with Stick cars I know that a little "hold or drag" on the front brakes helps set the rear suspension & clutch. That usually helps E.T., too. I'm going to plumb a Roadster I've had for some time. I've decided it's primary use will be for local index and bracket races. Thanks for the replies. I'm sure they helped. FWIW: any more ideas will be appreciated, too. Adger Smith __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)