Best Pontiac Powered Stockers - Page 56

oldskool · 08-12-2020, 12:17 AM

Thanks for that info Mark !

"1, Bob Michael car, as was / is the Don /Rob Holmes car. Two different cars...

OK, that means that Bob Michael owned both cars, then sold one to Don Holmes, then sold one to Dave Edwards.

So, does anybody here know what became of the Dave Edwards Bird ?

I assume that Dave Edwards Bird is the one that Bob Michael won M/SA with, @ the 1998 US Nats ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

And, from what Mark said, I assume that same car is the one that Dave Edwards won L/SA with, at the 2000 US Nats ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

On that same Stock class winner's list is Don Holmes with the K/SA win, & Danny Ashley, with the N/SA win.

These were some strong running Pontiac Stockers, for their time period. I was busy with life, back then, & not keeping up with racing. But I'm enjoying learning about these cars, now !

PS: While lookin back at some of my race records, I found that Michael Moyer is still racing a '78 Bird. It was on the list from the recent div 6 race. So, is it the same car that was on that list I linked ?

#17 @ .821 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop

oldskool · 08-12-2020, 12:57 AM

Adding to my confusion, from my last post, I'll just go ahead & add the names of these guys who I know drove '77-'78 Birds.

So, combining the 5 Birds from my last post, together with the Birds these guys drove, how many different Birds were there ?

Bill Edgeworth
Tommy Pettigrew
Tibor Kadar
Paul Dilcher
Dave Ribeiro
The Biondo Racing '77-'78 Bird

Hey, maybe some of you guys know of others who ran '77-'78 Stocker Birds, besides those I've mentioned ? Post that info & we'll add 'em to the mix.

I've learned that the Paul Dilcher Bird now belongs to Chad Smith. Hope that's correct.

Anybody know of decent '77-'78 Stocker Birds that are now sitting idle, not being raced ?

I suppose I need to start some written files on each Bird, with all it's owners/drivers & history. Just too much to keep up with from memory(at least from my memory).

It would help a LOT, if the search function on this site worked real good. For me, it's one of the worst I've run across. Most of the results I get have absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the search.

While I'm on site problems, recently, I get automatically logged out after about an hour.

I click on the "Remember Me ?" block, which I thought was/is supposed to keep me logged in, til I log out. In the past, if I forgot to log out, I'd still be logged in the next time I came to the site. But, as mentioned, can't stay logged in very long now. Anybody else having this problem ?

oldskool · 08-13-2020, 12:44 AM

OK, here's another attempt to get some of these Pontiacs & drivers all straight, at least in my mind. I realize that for most any car/driver I mention, there will be somebody here who knows the driver & the history of the car.

Therefore, as always, if I get some of the facts wrong, somebody who knows the correct facts, please post the correct info. You won't hurt my feelings, cause I realize that I know very little about the history of most of the cars & drivers mentioned in this thread.

This post is about the '74 Grand Am that Danny Ashley raced, back in the late '90's/early 2000's.

After searching thru some DRC files, the earliest I spotted it was in June of '99, @ the Sears Craftsman Nats. He won the N/SA class there.

6/24/99 - Sears Nats - #22 - .857 under - N/SA Winner

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

10/1/99 - Topeka Advance Nats - #23 - .952 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

8/31/00 - US Nats - #15 - 1.107 under - N/SA winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

Then I find a '74 GA with Mike McGinley as the driver. Same car ?

Mike qualified in the upper portion of a lot of Q-lists, with the car.

5/17/03 - div 3-2 - #27 - .998 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

8/28/03 - US Nats - #97 - .943 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

9/20/03 - div 3-6 - #28 - 1.021 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

9/3/04 - US Nats - #40 - 1.128 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...BpYKQY-&GI_ID=

Then by 2012, Mike is driving something else & Don Turk is listed driving a '74 GA. Same car ?

4/28/12 - div 3-1 - #48 - .734 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

9/25/15 - Midwest Nats - #8 - .943 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

9/3/16 - US Nats - N/SA Class Winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Then Don put it up for sale, & more recently it has been driven by Logan Galbraith. So, I assume this is the same car, with at least 4 different drivers. Is this correct ?

5/7/19 - div 3 - Won Stock !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

8/30/19 - US Nats - #75 - 1.037 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch

Not complete. Will continue.

TD3506 · 08-13-2020, 08:23 AM

oldskool thank you for the above post.

Yes Logan is the 4th owner of this awesome 1974 Grand Am. Not sure what the N/SA index has been over the years but @ 13.00 since we have owned the car I believe the 2019 US Nationals 1.03 under is its first pass in the 11's which we are really proud of. Tons of Midwest Pontiac guys have helped us with the car... Don, Todd, and many others including some I'm not allowed to mention

In addition to what you've already listed Logan also won a Wally in it at last years National Open @ Ohio Valley as well as a Class Elim win at this years Belle Rose Divisional where it had a string of passes in the mid 11.90's (wow that was some good air).

You probably wont see it out much for a bit because Logan enlisted in the USMC and is currently in week 6 of Boot Camp in San Diego. I appreciate it being included in the discussion of best pontiac stockers... dont know about "best" but it's a good one for sure! Thanks again. I'll print your post and mail it to Logan today.

Troy Galbraith

oldskool · 08-13-2020, 03:41 PM

Well, Logan certainly has my sympathy, during his time in boot camp !

I went thru 8 weeks of basic & 8 weeks of Army infantry AIT, at Fort Polk, Louisiana, back in 1970.

To say the very least, it was an experience I'll never forget. It didn't make me wanna kill enemy soldiers. It made me wanna kill some drill sergeants.

When I 1st got there, it was in the middle of the Summer. Hey ya'll, it's HOT in Louisiana, in the middle of the Summer. While in the reception station area, they put us in old barracks that were built during WWII. No AC.

The buildings had 2 floors. I was put on the top floor. There was a big fan at one end. But it didn't work. Don't know exactly what the temp was on that top floor. But it was WELL over 100°, in the afternoon. Probably didn't drop below 90° 'til after midnight. I remember sweating 'til I soaked my sheets & mattress. Then I'd take 'em all down to the shower, & take a shower WITH the sheets & mattress. The wet bedding provided some relief from the heat, for a few minutes, usually enuff so I could go to sleep.

While there, we all got the same nice haircut. Hey, for you older guys, do ya'll remember guy's hairstyles, in 1970 ? Many of those guys had shoulder length hair, standing outside the barbershop. But, when they came out, everybody had the same length hair - VERY short. And, to rub it in, we'd be marched down to the barbershop EVERY week, to get another haircut. And we had to pay for 'em, out of our meager pay.

After our time in the reception station, we were sent to our basic training company. That's when the fun really began.

I can truly say that was the most miserable experience of my life. Some guys seem to love the military life, & even make a career out of it. I hated almost every minute of my military experience.

I know this probably ain't the place for my rant. But, it was such a traumatic experience for me that even after all these years, any reminder of that experience brings up lots of bad memories of a very unpleasant experience. I could go on & on about some of that stuff, but I'll stop.

THANKS to all who have served, are serving, & especially to those who have seen combat duty ! As the saying goes, "Freedom ain't free.". Somebody has to pay for it, so that the rest of us can enjoy it. Throughout our history, there have always been some willing to pay the price. Sadly, some have had to pay more than others.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop

bob3240 · 08-13-2020, 06:08 PM

Mr. Old School, Bob Michael here; sorry I haven't chimed in sooner. I really appreciate all the research you've done!

The Dave Edwards car was sold to Tony Goodman, then to David Horne if that helps.
We're in process of building a 1962 Super Duty motor for my car
A friend out west has already has his '62 going down the track in D/SA
Thanks again, I'll try to answer your questions sooner

Dave Batta · 08-13-2020, 08:32 PM

I still have the firebird that Mark Yacavone is referring to.Raced it for about 10 years and then it sat idle for a number of years although in the past couple years the car has been freshened and updated thanks to a LOT of help from Dave Edwards.

In fact we hope to get the car out this fall if schedules work out.

Dave Batta

oldskool · 08-13-2020, 10:06 PM

Hey guys, THANKS a lot for posting your 1st hand info !

Everybody can tell that I'm no expert, have very little Stocker experience, & am only posting the info I find online or get directly from racers, thru PM's and/or Email.

I love to hear that several of the cars will make a return to the track ! Looking forward to posting that info, when it happens.

Would love it if you guys would post pics of the whole process, or at least a few, to give us a better idea of the details of the rebuild, refresh, repaint, or whatever is being done to the cars.

Bob Michael, your name is connected to so many Pontiac Stock & Super Stock cars, I am wondering if you have kept a list, or if you know exactly how many Pontiac powered Stock/SS cars you have either built, bought, sold, and/or had a major hand in building/racing.

Thanks for all you've done for Pontiac class racing !

I've noticed that you have built a '77 Lemans & a '77 Catalina. I'd love it if you'd either build, or encourage some of your Pontiac racer friends to build a '77 Cam Am Stocker. It's my favorite of all the '73-'77 A-body Pontiacs. I think a Cam Am Stocker would look so cool !

That's the 1st I've heard about your 421SD. Hope both SD projects work out great. They'll definitely be a "Blast From the Past".

Anybody here know when the last competitive 421SD Stocker was actively racing ?

I'm thinking of how cool it will be if a large number of the old, new, & refreshed Pontiac Stockers can get together at one race, so they'll all show up on a Q-list. I love it when I run across an old list that includes maybe 10 or more Pontiac powered Stockers.

I feel sorta sad when I see a list which contains names that were once associated with a Pontiac powered Stocker, but they now drive another brand, and sometimes even a late model. I know that opinions differ. But, to me, the late model 8 & 9 sec FS cars don't even seem to fit in the same class as a 10-12 sec Pontiac Stocker, which has Q-jet on it.

I understand that some guys just wanna go faster. But, back in the old days, those who wanted to go faster just moved up to a faster class, such as Super Stock. Nowadays, you can run a Stocker that will go quicker than any of the SS cars would go, not that many years ago. That's all I'll say about that.

oldskool · 08-14-2020, 04:23 AM

OK, it's time to dig into some race results from some of the '77-'78 Birds that have been mentioned.

I've been told that most of the credit for the big hp hits on the '77-'78 Bird 400 engines can probably go to the Don Holmes Bird. So, let's take a closer look at some of the performances that may have caused at least some of those hits.

There are probably LOTS of DRC results that deserve mention. So, I'll divide this into 2 posts. The 1st will be for those races where Don was the driver. The next post will be where Rob was the driver.

9/4/98 - US Nats - #29 - .924 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

9/3/99 - US Nats - #4 - 1.264 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

8/31/00 - US Nats - #2 - 1.269 under - Won K/SA class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

4/27/02 - div 3-1 - #2 - 1.481 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

5/18/02 - div 3-2 - #2 - 1.320 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

6/23/02 - div 3-3 - #1 - 1.211 under - Won the Race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

8/3/02 - div 3-4 - #3 - 1.288 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

8/24/02 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.286 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

9/21/02 - div 3-6 - #2 - 1.288 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

4/26/03 - div 3-1 - #1 - 1.411 under. Kyle Riley won the race, with his '77 Lemans.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

5/17/03 - div 3-2 - #1 - 1.249 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

6/22/03 - div 3-3 - #2 - 1.255 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

8/2/03 - div 3-4 - #2 - 1.274 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

8/23/03 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.320 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

9/20/03 - div 3-6 - #1 - 1.423 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

4/17/04 - div 3-1 - #3 - 1.317 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

7/17/04 - div 3-3 - #1 - 1.253 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

8/7/04 - div 3-4 - #13 - 1.145 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

8/28/04 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.265 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

9/3/04 - US Nats - #13 - 1.195 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

9/25/04 - div 3-6 - #5 - 1.168 under. Paul Dilcher won this race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

4/16/05 - div 3-1 - #1 - 1.366 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

7/16/05 - div 3-3 - #3 - 1.207 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

8/6/05 - div 3-4 - #2 - 1.152 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

8/27/05 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.280 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

9/2/05 - US Nats - #4 - 1.236 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

4/22/06 - div 3-1 - #5 - 1.233 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

7/1/06 - div 3-2 - #2 - 1.118 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

7/15/06 - div 3-3 - #2 - 1.233 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

8/26/06 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.227 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

9/1/06 - US Nats - #10 - 1.196 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

As most here know, back in the old days, it was common for drag cars to have a name, which was usually displayed on the doors. The name I've seen on this car is "Kemo Sabe", beginning with pics on Auto Imagery dated from 2002 & 2004.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ke-mo_sah-bee

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...VQLJ94-&GI_ID=

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...VztKBA-&GI_ID=

oldskool · 08-14-2020, 04:44 AM

This post will be for the Holmes Bird, after Robert was the driver listed. I've also seen his name listed as Robbie & Rob. Rob is shorter, so I'll use that.

He shows up on the Indy list in 2009.

9/4/09 - US Nats - #26 - 1.185 under - R/U in I/SA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=190774

9/26/09 - Jegs Northern Sports Nats - #11 - 1.118 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

4/28/12 - div 3-1 - #9 - 1.016 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

9/19/14 - Jegs Northern Sports Nats - #20 - .904 under & class winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop

5/26/18 - Jegs Sports Nats - #14 - .966 under & won J/SA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop

7/7/19 - div 3-3 - #3 - .941 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

8/25/19 - div 3-5 - #2 - .947 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

10/13/19 - Fall Classic - #15 - 1.074 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

7/19/20 - Jegs Sports Nats - #26 - .938 under & J/SA winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

Even after all the hp hits, it's still competitive.

Some earlier pics show that Rob didn't have the Kemo Sabe name on the side. But, pics from this season show that the name is on the car again.

08-12-2020, 12:17 AM	#551
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Thanks for that info Mark ! "1, Bob Michael car, as was / is the Don /Rob Holmes car. Two different cars... OK, that means that Bob Michael owned both cars, then sold one to Don Holmes, then sold one to Dave Edwards. So, does anybody here know what became of the Dave Edwards Bird ? I assume that Dave Edwards Bird is the one that Bob Michael won M/SA with, @ the 1998 US Nats ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop And, from what Mark said, I assume that same car is the one that Dave Edwards won L/SA with, at the 2000 US Nats ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop On that same Stock class winner's list is Don Holmes with the K/SA win, & Danny Ashley, with the N/SA win. These were some strong running Pontiac Stockers, for their time period. I was busy with life, back then, & not keeping up with racing. But I'm enjoying learning about these cars, now ! PS: While lookin back at some of my race records, I found that Michael Moyer is still racing a '78 Bird. It was on the list from the recent div 6 race. So, is it the same car that was on that list I linked ? #17 @ .821 under https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop Last edited by oldskool; 08-12-2020 at 06:41 AM.

08-12-2020, 12:57 AM	#552
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Adding to my confusion, from my last post, I'll just go ahead & add the names of these guys who I know drove '77-'78 Birds. So, combining the 5 Birds from my last post, together with the Birds these guys drove, how many different Birds were there ? Bill Edgeworth Tommy Pettigrew Tibor Kadar Paul Dilcher Dave Ribeiro The Biondo Racing '77-'78 Bird Hey, maybe some of you guys know of others who ran '77-'78 Stocker Birds, besides those I've mentioned ? Post that info & we'll add 'em to the mix. I've learned that the Paul Dilcher Bird now belongs to Chad Smith. Hope that's correct. Anybody know of decent '77-'78 Stocker Birds that are now sitting idle, not being raced ? I suppose I need to start some written files on each Bird, with all it's owners/drivers & history. Just too much to keep up with from memory(at least from my memory). It would help a LOT, if the search function on this site worked real good. For me, it's one of the worst I've run across. Most of the results I get have absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the search. While I'm on site problems, recently, I get automatically logged out after about an hour. I click on the "Remember Me ?" block, which I thought was/is supposed to keep me logged in, til I log out. In the past, if I forgot to log out, I'd still be logged in the next time I came to the site. But, as mentioned, can't stay logged in very long now. Anybody else having this problem ? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 08-12-2020 at 06:54 AM.

08-13-2020, 12:44 AM	#553
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers OK, here's another attempt to get some of these Pontiacs & drivers all straight, at least in my mind. I realize that for most any car/driver I mention, there will be somebody here who knows the driver & the history of the car. Therefore, as always, if I get some of the facts wrong, somebody who knows the correct facts, please post the correct info. You won't hurt my feelings, cause I realize that I know very little about the history of most of the cars & drivers mentioned in this thread. This post is about the '74 Grand Am that Danny Ashley raced, back in the late '90's/early 2000's. After searching thru some DRC files, the earliest I spotted it was in June of '99, @ the Sears Craftsman Nats. He won the N/SA class there. 6/24/99 - Sears Nats - #22 - .857 under - N/SA Winner https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop 10/1/99 - Topeka Advance Nats - #23 - .952 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop 8/31/00 - US Nats - #15 - 1.107 under - N/SA winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop Then I find a '74 GA with Mike McGinley as the driver. Same car ? Mike qualified in the upper portion of a lot of Q-lists, with the car. 5/17/03 - div 3-2 - #27 - .998 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 8/28/03 - US Nats - #97 - .943 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 9/20/03 - div 3-6 - #28 - 1.021 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 9/3/04 - US Nats - #40 - 1.128 under https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...BpYKQY-&GI_ID= Then by 2012, Mike is driving something else & Don Turk is listed driving a '74 GA. Same car ? 4/28/12 - div 3-1 - #48 - .734 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop 9/25/15 - Midwest Nats - #8 - .943 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop 9/3/16 - US Nats - N/SA Class Winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Then Don put it up for sale, & more recently it has been driven by Logan Galbraith. So, I assume this is the same car, with at least 4 different drivers. Is this correct ? 5/7/19 - div 3 - Won Stock ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop 8/30/19 - US Nats - #75 - 1.037 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch Not complete. Will continue. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 08-13-2020 at 02:26 AM.

08-13-2020, 08:23 AM	#554
TD3506 Junior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 20 Likes: 0 Liked 35 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers oldskool thank you for the above post. Yes Logan is the 4th owner of this awesome 1974 Grand Am. Not sure what the N/SA index has been over the years but @ 13.00 since we have owned the car I believe the 2019 US Nationals 1.03 under is its first pass in the 11's which we are really proud of. Tons of Midwest Pontiac guys have helped us with the car... Don, Todd, and many others including some I'm not allowed to mention In addition to what you've already listed Logan also won a Wally in it at last years National Open @ Ohio Valley as well as a Class Elim win at this years Belle Rose Divisional where it had a string of passes in the mid 11.90's (wow that was some good air). You probably wont see it out much for a bit because Logan enlisted in the USMC and is currently in week 6 of Boot Camp in San Diego. I appreciate it being included in the discussion of best pontiac stockers... dont know about "best" but it's a good one for sure! Thanks again. I'll print your post and mail it to Logan today. Troy Galbraith

08-13-2020, 03:41 PM	#555
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Well, Logan certainly has my sympathy, during his time in boot camp ! I went thru 8 weeks of basic & 8 weeks of Army infantry AIT, at Fort Polk, Louisiana, back in 1970. To say the very least, it was an experience I'll never forget. It didn't make me wanna kill enemy soldiers. It made me wanna kill some drill sergeants. When I 1st got there, it was in the middle of the Summer. Hey ya'll, it's HOT in Louisiana, in the middle of the Summer. While in the reception station area, they put us in old barracks that were built during WWII. No AC. The buildings had 2 floors. I was put on the top floor. There was a big fan at one end. But it didn't work. Don't know exactly what the temp was on that top floor. But it was WELL over 100°, in the afternoon. Probably didn't drop below 90° 'til after midnight. I remember sweating 'til I soaked my sheets & mattress. Then I'd take 'em all down to the shower, & take a shower WITH the sheets & mattress. The wet bedding provided some relief from the heat, for a few minutes, usually enuff so I could go to sleep. While there, we all got the same nice haircut. Hey, for you older guys, do ya'll remember guy's hairstyles, in 1970 ? Many of those guys had shoulder length hair, standing outside the barbershop. But, when they came out, everybody had the same length hair - VERY short. And, to rub it in, we'd be marched down to the barbershop EVERY week, to get another haircut. And we had to pay for 'em, out of our meager pay. After our time in the reception station, we were sent to our basic training company. That's when the fun really began. I can truly say that was the most miserable experience of my life. Some guys seem to love the military life, & even make a career out of it. I hated almost every minute of my military experience. I know this probably ain't the place for my rant. But, it was such a traumatic experience for me that even after all these years, any reminder of that experience brings up lots of bad memories of a very unpleasant experience. I could go on & on about some of that stuff, but I'll stop. THANKS to all who have served, are serving, & especially to those who have seen combat duty ! As the saying goes, "Freedom ain't free.". Somebody has to pay for it, so that the rest of us can enjoy it. Throughout our history, there have always been some willing to pay the price. Sadly, some have had to pay more than others. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 08-13-2020 at 04:07 PM.

08-13-2020, 06:08 PM	#556
bob3240 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: lebanon ohio Posts: 250 Likes: 3 Liked 14 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Mr. Old School, Bob Michael here; sorry I haven't chimed in sooner. I really appreciate all the research you've done! The Dave Edwards car was sold to Tony Goodman, then to David Horne if that helps. We're in process of building a 1962 Super Duty motor for my car A friend out west has already has his '62 going down the track in D/SA Thanks again, I'll try to answer your questions sooner

08-13-2020, 08:32 PM	#557
Dave Batta Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 3 Likes: 4 Liked 11 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers I still have the firebird that Mark Yacavone is referring to.Raced it for about 10 years and then it sat idle for a number of years although in the past couple years the car has been freshened and updated thanks to a LOT of help from Dave Edwards. In fact we hope to get the car out this fall if schedules work out. Dave Batta

08-13-2020, 10:06 PM	#558
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Hey guys, THANKS a lot for posting your 1st hand info ! Everybody can tell that I'm no expert, have very little Stocker experience, & am only posting the info I find online or get directly from racers, thru PM's and/or Email. I love to hear that several of the cars will make a return to the track ! Looking forward to posting that info, when it happens. Would love it if you guys would post pics of the whole process, or at least a few, to give us a better idea of the details of the rebuild, refresh, repaint, or whatever is being done to the cars. Bob Michael, your name is connected to so many Pontiac Stock & Super Stock cars, I am wondering if you have kept a list, or if you know exactly how many Pontiac powered Stock/SS cars you have either built, bought, sold, and/or had a major hand in building/racing. Thanks for all you've done for Pontiac class racing ! I've noticed that you have built a '77 Lemans & a '77 Catalina. I'd love it if you'd either build, or encourage some of your Pontiac racer friends to build a '77 Cam Am Stocker. It's my favorite of all the '73-'77 A-body Pontiacs. I think a Cam Am Stocker would look so cool ! That's the 1st I've heard about your 421SD. Hope both SD projects work out great. They'll definitely be a "Blast From the Past". Anybody here know when the last competitive 421SD Stocker was actively racing ? I'm thinking of how cool it will be if a large number of the old, new, & refreshed Pontiac Stockers can get together at one race, so they'll all show up on a Q-list. I love it when I run across an old list that includes maybe 10 or more Pontiac powered Stockers. I feel sorta sad when I see a list which contains names that were once associated with a Pontiac powered Stocker, but they now drive another brand, and sometimes even a late model. I know that opinions differ. But, to me, the late model 8 & 9 sec FS cars don't even seem to fit in the same class as a 10-12 sec Pontiac Stocker, which has Q-jet on it. I understand that some guys just wanna go faster. But, back in the old days, those who wanted to go faster just moved up to a faster class, such as Super Stock. Nowadays, you can run a Stocker that will go quicker than any of the SS cars would go, not that many years ago. That's all I'll say about that. Last edited by oldskool; 08-13-2020 at 10:22 PM.

08-14-2020, 04:23 AM	#559
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers OK, it's time to dig into some race results from some of the '77-'78 Birds that have been mentioned. I've been told that most of the credit for the big hp hits on the '77-'78 Bird 400 engines can probably go to the Don Holmes Bird. So, let's take a closer look at some of the performances that may have caused at least some of those hits. There are probably LOTS of DRC results that deserve mention. So, I'll divide this into 2 posts. The 1st will be for those races where Don was the driver. The next post will be where Rob was the driver. 9/4/98 - US Nats - #29 - .924 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop 9/3/99 - US Nats - #4 - 1.264 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop 8/31/00 - US Nats - #2 - 1.269 under - Won K/SA class. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop 4/27/02 - div 3-1 - #2 - 1.481 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 5/18/02 - div 3-2 - #2 - 1.320 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 6/23/02 - div 3-3 - #1 - 1.211 under - Won the Race ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 8/3/02 - div 3-4 - #3 - 1.288 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 8/24/02 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.286 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 9/21/02 - div 3-6 - #2 - 1.288 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 4/26/03 - div 3-1 - #1 - 1.411 under. Kyle Riley won the race, with his '77 Lemans. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 5/17/03 - div 3-2 - #1 - 1.249 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 6/22/03 - div 3-3 - #2 - 1.255 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 8/2/03 - div 3-4 - #2 - 1.274 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 8/23/03 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.320 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 9/20/03 - div 3-6 - #1 - 1.423 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 4/17/04 - div 3-1 - #3 - 1.317 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 7/17/04 - div 3-3 - #1 - 1.253 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 8/7/04 - div 3-4 - #13 - 1.145 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 8/28/04 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.265 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 9/3/04 - US Nats - #13 - 1.195 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 9/25/04 - div 3-6 - #5 - 1.168 under. Paul Dilcher won this race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 4/16/05 - div 3-1 - #1 - 1.366 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 7/16/05 - div 3-3 - #3 - 1.207 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 8/6/05 - div 3-4 - #2 - 1.152 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 8/27/05 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.280 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 9/2/05 - US Nats - #4 - 1.236 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 4/22/06 - div 3-1 - #5 - 1.233 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 7/1/06 - div 3-2 - #2 - 1.118 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 7/15/06 - div 3-3 - #2 - 1.233 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 8/26/06 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.227 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 9/1/06 - US Nats - #10 - 1.196 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop As most here know, back in the old days, it was common for drag cars to have a name, which was usually displayed on the doors. The name I've seen on this car is "Kemo Sabe", beginning with pics on Auto Imagery dated from 2002 & 2004. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ke-mo_sah-bee https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...VQLJ94-&GI_ID= https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...VztKBA-&GI_ID= Last edited by oldskool; 08-17-2020 at 01:39 PM.

08-14-2020, 04:44 AM	#560
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers This post will be for the Holmes Bird, after Robert was the driver listed. I've also seen his name listed as Robbie & Rob. Rob is shorter, so I'll use that. He shows up on the Indy list in 2009. 9/4/09 - US Nats - #26 - 1.185 under - R/U in I/SA. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=190774 9/26/09 - Jegs Northern Sports Nats - #11 - 1.118 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 4/28/12 - div 3-1 - #9 - 1.016 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop 9/19/14 - Jegs Northern Sports Nats - #20 - .904 under & class winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop 5/26/18 - Jegs Sports Nats - #14 - .966 under & won J/SA. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop 7/7/19 - div 3-3 - #3 - .941 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop 8/25/19 - div 3-5 - #2 - .947 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop 10/13/19 - Fall Classic - #15 - 1.074 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop 7/19/20 - Jegs Sports Nats - #26 - .938 under & J/SA winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop Even after all the hp hits, it's still competitive. Some earlier pics show that Rob didn't have the Kemo Sabe name on the side. But, pics from this season show that the name is on the car again. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 08-14-2020 at 07:24 AM.