1970 and 1971 ~ 'H/Stock Wars'

Paul Ceasrine · 10-21-2015, 09:48 AM

1970 and 1971

H/Stock .......... 10.50 to 10.99 Wt/HP

One of the most popular Stocker Classes.

Chevrolet Packages

* 1968 Chevrolet Nova SS350 ............................ 350/295 HP .... #3106 .. 10.53
* 1957 Chevrolet Corvette ................................... 283/250 HP ... #2737 ... 10.95
* 1959 Chevrolet Corvette ................................... 283/270 HP ... #2900 ... 10.74
* 1961 Chevrolet Corvette ................................... 283/270 HP ... #2904 ... 10.76

* 1966 Chevrolet Nova SS ................................... 327/275 HP ... #2917 ... 10.65
* 1966 Chevrolet Malibu SS 'convertible' ............. 396/325 HP ... #3468 ... 10.67
* 1967 Chevrolet Camaro .................................... 327/275 HP ... #2960 ... 10.80
* 1968 Chevrolet Malibu SS396 ........................... 396/325 HP ... #3549 ... 10.92

* 1968 Chevrolet Camaro SS396 'convertible' ...... 396/325 HP ... #3540 ... 10.89
* 1965 Chevrolet Biscayne .................................... 409/340 HP ... #3720 ... 10.94

* 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS350 .......................... 350/300 HP ... #3221 ... 10.74
* 1970 Chevrolet Corvette ..................................... 350/300 HP ... #3199 ... 10.66

* 1970 Chevrolet Nova SS350 .............................. 350/300 HP ... #3216 ... 10.72
* 1970 Chevrolet Malibu SS396 'convertible' ........ 402/350 HP ... #3678 ... 10.51
* 1970 Chevrolet Malibu SS396 ............................ 402/330 HP ... #3574 ... 10.80

* 1965 Chevrolet Malibu SS .................................. 327/300 HP ... #3165 ... 10.55
Note: A 'controversial' engine combination. Debated as to whether this engine was
available in the 1965 Chevelle.
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Non Chevrolet Cars

* 1971 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 ....................................... 455/350 HP ... #3701 ... 10.57
* 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass 'W-31' ........................ 350/325 HP ... #3429 ... 10.55
* 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass 'W-31' 'convertible' .... 350/325 HP ... #3442 ... 10.59

* 1970 Pontiac GTO ............................................. 400/350 HP ... #3689 ... 10.54
* 1968 Pontiac Lemans ........................................ 350/320 HP ... #3498 ... 10.93
* 1968 Pontiac Firebird ''convertible' .................... 400/335 HP ... #3566 ... 10.64

* 1969 Plymouth Road Runner 'convertible'.......... 383/335 HP ... #3539 ... 10.56
* 1971 Plymouth Barracuda .................................. 383/300 HP ... #3241 ... 10.80
* 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda ......................................... 340/275 HP ... #3257 ... 10.51
* 1971 Plymouth 'Cuda ......................................... 340/275 HP ... #3303 ... 10.65
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Old School Cars

* 1958 Chevrolet Biscayne ................................... 348/315 HP ... #3459 ... 10.98

* 1960 Pontiac Catalina 'Super Duty' ................... 389/363 HP ... #3840 ... 10.58

* 1962 Pontiac Catalina ........................................ 389/348 HP ... #3750 ... 10.77

* 1965 Ford Mustang 2+2 'K-Code' ...................... 289/271 HP ... #2875 ... 10.61

Drew Papsun · 10-21-2015, 10:37 AM

Hello Paul,
Please contact me.
Thanks,
Drew Papsun
Norwalk, CT.
203-847-4678

Rich Biebel · 10-21-2015, 07:30 PM

350 Chevy II's pretty much ruled the class most of 1970-1971

Our H/S record stood for quite sometime at 12.25.
At some point (I don't recall what year) Class wt breaks changed a lot and lower classed cars wound up in H/S

Warren -Register held the J/S record (I think it was) at 12.22 or 12.23....
Their car combination was moved into H/S and their record was then printed in ND as the H/S class record.

I wrote a letter to ND about it and it was printed in the letters section.
I was unhappy that our record was erased but meant no disrespect to the new record holders knowing how fast their car was.

We ran faster than that 12.25 a few times....and much faster than the MPH record.

Probably the best Chevy II H/S of that time around my area was Larry Lombardo's.....I saw him run some 12.teens and he won 2 WCS races I believe that year.

Another good Chevy II was Tom Elks from Div 3

Also a very good car in H/S was Jack Marks....anOlds Cutlass from Div 3.....
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Both cars got in at the first 2 Summernationals......when we missed the show.....

I worked very hard trying to do well with our car......but it was tough and things just went against us at the big races....

Paul Ceasrine · 10-22-2015, 09:05 AM

'H/Stock Wars'

Weight Break ..... 10.50 to 10.99 Wt/HP

* 1968 Nova SS350 ...... 350/295 HP
vs.
* 1957 Corvette ............ 283/250 HP 'Fuel Injection'

Paul Ceasrine · 10-22-2015, 11:47 PM

Niche

In 1971,

You could get a 'Plain Jane' Barracuda with the 383/300 HP. They
came through with a Holley Carburetor.

Shipping Weight ........ #3241 lbs. ~ 300 HP = 10.80 Wt./HP
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Not to be confused with the 1971 'Cuda 383, which had more
'Bells-and-Whistles'.

Shipping Weight ...... #3427 lbs. ~ 300 HP = 11.42 Wt./HP

Paul Ceasrine · 10-25-2015, 07:24 AM

Fred,

1970 and 1971 ............ H/SA ...... {10.50 to 10.99 Wt/HP}

Was reserved for the 1962 Dodge {Model 440} Station Wagon {2-Seat / 6-Passenger}

Engine ...... 383/343 HP ~ 'Dual-Quad' and Solid Cam.

Weight ......... #3637 lbs. ~ 343 HP = 10.60 Wt/HP

oldskool · 10-02-2021, 02:39 PM

There were some '71 Firebird H/Stockers. Anybody remember seeing them do any good ?

According to this list, Max Sterling won the H/S class & Gary Moore was RU, at Indy '71. Hey, that ain't bad. '71 Pontiac Birds got class Winner & RU @ Indy !

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...70&postcount=1

tommy d · 10-02-2021, 02:46 PM

Cobra Jet Fairlanes as well.

DeuceCoupe · 10-02-2021, 11:41 PM

I've never posted one this way before but kinda fun.
This is the evolution of the W/P=10.50 class from 1968-1971, wins, R/U, records, chronology so you can see how the cars evolved.

NOT complete, just from the records/win sheets I do have.

Stick, then Auto (in red because ATF is red)
Stick cars, lots of W-31 Olds at least at the national level.
Auto cars, lots of dual quad 383 wagons (I wonder if even one ever left the assembly line).
Note the William Beck Ford, still guessing what car/engine that is.

Heavier 428CJ cars in both stick and auto, mostly auto.
455HO cars starting in 1971 of course.

The final one is a block chart of which ENGINES won in /S and /SA, in the hotter classes from W/P=8.00 to W/P=11.30, from 1967-1971.

10-21-2015, 09:48 AM	#1
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	1970 and 1971 ~ 'H/Stock Wars' *1970 and 1971* *H/Stock .......... 10.50 to 10.99 Wt/HP* *One of the most popular Stocker Classes.* *Chevrolet Packages* * 1968 Chevrolet Nova SS350 ............................ 350/295 HP .... #3106 .. 10.53 * 1957 Chevrolet Corvette ................................... 283/250 HP ... #2737 ... 10.95 * 1959 Chevrolet Corvette ................................... 283/270 HP ... #2900 ... 10.74 * 1961 Chevrolet Corvette ................................... 283/270 HP ... #2904 ... 10.76 * 1966 Chevrolet Nova SS ................................... 327/275 HP ... #2917 ... 10.65 * 1966 Chevrolet Malibu SS 'convertible' ............. 396/325 HP ... #3468 ... 10.67 * 1967 Chevrolet Camaro .................................... 327/275 HP ... #2960 ... 10.80 * 1968 Chevrolet Malibu SS396 ........................... 396/325 HP ... #3549 ... 10.92 * 1968 Chevrolet Camaro SS396 'convertible' ...... 396/325 HP ... #3540 ... 10.89 * 1965 Chevrolet Biscayne .................................... 409/340 HP ... #3720 ... 10.94 * 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS350 .......................... 350/300 HP ... #3221 ... 10.74 * 1970 Chevrolet Corvette ..................................... 350/300 HP ... #3199 ... 10.66 * 1970 Chevrolet Nova SS350 .............................. 350/300 HP ... #3216 ... 10.72 * 1970 Chevrolet Malibu SS396 'convertible' ........ 402/350 HP ... #3678 ... 10.51 * 1970 Chevrolet Malibu SS396 ............................ 402/330 HP ... #3574 ... 10.80 * 1965 Chevrolet Malibu SS .................................. 327/300 HP ... #3165 ... 10.55 Note: A 'controversial' engine combination. Debated as to whether this engine was available in the 1965 Chevelle. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Non Chevrolet Cars* * 1971 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 ....................................... 455/350 HP ... #3701 ... 10.57 * 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass 'W-31' ........................ 350/325 HP ... #3429 ... 10.55 * 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass 'W-31' 'convertible' .... 350/325 HP ... #3442 ... 10.59 * 1970 Pontiac GTO ............................................. 400/350 HP ... #3689 ... 10.54 * 1968 Pontiac Lemans ........................................ 350/320 HP ... #3498 ... 10.93 * 1968 Pontiac Firebird ''convertible' .................... 400/335 HP ... #3566 ... 10.64 * 1969 Plymouth Road Runner 'convertible'.......... 383/335 HP ... #3539 ... 10.56 * 1971 Plymouth Barracuda .................................. 383/300 HP ... #3241 ... 10.80 * 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda ......................................... 340/275 HP ... #3257 ... 10.51 * 1971 Plymouth 'Cuda ......................................... 340/275 HP ... #3303 ... 10.65 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Old School Cars * 1958 Chevrolet Biscayne ................................... 348/315 HP ... #3459 ... 10.98 * 1960 Pontiac Catalina 'Super Duty' ................... 389/363 HP ... #3840 ... 10.58 * 1962 Pontiac Catalina ........................................ 389/348 HP ... #3750 ... 10.77 * 1965 Ford Mustang 2+2 'K-Code' ...................... 289/271 HP ... #2875 ... 10.61 Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 10-24-2015 at 10:21 AM.

10-22-2015, 09:05 AM	#4
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: 1970 and 1971 ~ 'H/Stock Wars' *'H/Stock Wars'* *Weight Break ..... 10.50 to 10.99 Wt/HP* * 1968 Nova SS350 ...... 350/295 HP *vs.* * 1957 Corvette ............ 283/250 HP 'Fuel Injection'

10-22-2015, 11:47 PM	#5
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: 1970 and 1971 ~ 'H/Stock Wars' *Niche* In 1971, You could get a 'Plain Jane' Barracuda with the 383/300 HP. They came through with a Holley Carburetor. Shipping Weight ........ #3241 lbs. ~ 300 HP = 10.80 Wt./HP ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not to be confused with the 1971 'Cuda 383, which had more 'Bells-and-Whistles'. Shipping Weight ...... #3427 lbs. ~ 300 HP = 11.42 Wt./HP Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 10-23-2015 at 05:21 AM.

10-25-2015, 07:24 AM	#6
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: 1970 and 1971 ~ 'H/Stock Wars' Fred, *1970 and 1971 ............ H/SA ...... {10.50 to 10.99 Wt/HP}* Was reserved for the 1962 Dodge {Model 440} Station Wagon {2-Seat / 6-Passenger} Engine ...... 383/343 HP ~ 'Dual-Quad' and Solid Cam. Weight ......... #3637 lbs. ~ 343 HP = 10.60 Wt/HP Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 10-25-2015 at 12:55 PM.

10-02-2021, 02:39 PM	#7
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: 1970 and 1971 ~ 'H/Stock Wars' There were some '71 Firebird H/Stockers. Anybody remember seeing them do any good ? According to this list, Max Sterling won the H/S class & Gary Moore was RU, at Indy '71. Hey, that ain't bad. '71 Pontiac Birds got class Winner & RU @ Indy ! http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...70&postcount=1 Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 10-02-2021 at 03:19 PM.

10-21-2015, 10:37 AM	#2
Drew Papsun Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Norwalk, CT Posts: 2 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1970 and 1971 ~ 'H/Stock Wars' Hello Paul, Please contact me. Thanks, Drew Papsun Norwalk, CT. 203-847-4678

10-21-2015, 07:30 PM	#3
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,275 Likes: 25 Liked 510 Times in 200 Posts	Re: 1970 and 1971 ~ 'H/Stock Wars' 350 Chevy II's pretty much ruled the class most of 1970-1971 Our H/S record stood for quite sometime at 12.25. At some point (I don't recall what year) Class wt breaks changed a lot and lower classed cars wound up in H/S Warren -Register held the J/S record (I think it was) at 12.22 or 12.23.... Their car combination was moved into H/S and their record was then printed in ND as the H/S class record. I wrote a letter to ND about it and it was printed in the letters section. I was unhappy that our record was erased but meant no disrespect to the new record holders knowing how fast their car was. We ran faster than that 12.25 a few times....and much faster than the MPH record. Probably the best Chevy II H/S of that time around my area was Larry Lombardo's.....I saw him run some 12.teens and he won 2 WCS races I believe that year. Another good Chevy II was Tom Elks from Div 3 Also a very good car in H/S was Jack Marks....anOlds Cutlass from Div 3..... . Both cars got in at the first 2 Summernationals......when we missed the show..... I worked very hard trying to do well with our car......but it was tough and things just went against us at the big races.... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Last edited by Rich Biebel; 10-21-2015 at 07:32 PM.

10-02-2021, 02:46 PM	#8
tommy d Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 791 Likes: 1,372 Liked 310 Times in 116 Posts	Re: 1970 and 1971 ~ 'H/Stock Wars' Cobra Jet Fairlanes as well. __________________ Who owns this car, with the peace sign,mag wheels, and four on the floor?

10-02-2021, 11:41 PM	#9
DeuceCoupe Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 267 Likes: 96 Liked 45 Times in 41 Posts	Re: 1970 and 1971 ~ 'H/Stock Wars' I've never posted one this way before but kinda fun. This is the evolution of the W/P=10.50 class from 1968-1971, wins, R/U, records, chronology so you can see how the cars evolved. NOT complete, just from the records/win sheets I do have. Stick, then Auto (in red because ATF is red) Stick cars, lots of W-31 Olds at least at the national level. Auto cars, lots of dual quad 383 wagons (I wonder if even one ever left the assembly line). Note the William Beck Ford, still guessing what car/engine that is. Heavier 428CJ cars in both stick and auto, mostly auto. 455HO cars starting in 1971 of course. The final one is a block chart of which ENGINES won in /S and /SA, in the hotter classes from W/P=8.00 to W/P=11.30, from 1967-1971. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by DeuceCoupe; 10-03-2021 at 12:00 AM.