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Old 07-23-2019, 08:47 PM   #1
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Default 65 Spring Nationals - Who were they?

Greetings

Ive been searching (unsuccessfully) for the winners of S/S and S/SA at the 65 NHRA Spring Nats.

Ive heard both winners were A990 Hemi cars but were DQ’d due to illegal ballast....

HOWEVER....I’m unsure if this is correct and still can’t find the drivers names.

Can I please ask members to check their resources as this is for a web site I am constructing.

Thx all.

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Old 07-23-2019, 10:58 PM   #2
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If the Springnationals were in Bristol that year, there was no SS. Street was Fred Napfel over Carl Kirk. Stock was Mike Schmitt over Robert Borkes and Jr Stock was Bill Hoefer over Doug Patterson. This is from the 2006 NHRA Media Guide. No SS until 66 and then only at the Winternationals. SS became an every event elim in 67. There was a Top Stock in 66 also at Indy and Tulsa
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Old 07-23-2019, 11:38 PM   #3
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If the Springnationals were in Bristol that year, there was no SS. Street was Fred Napfel over Carl Kirk. Stock was Mike Schmitt over Robert Borkes and Jr Stock was Bill Hoefer over Doug Patterson. This is from the 2006 NHRA Media Guide. No SS until 66 and then only at the Winternationals. SS became an every event elim in 67. There was a Top Stock in 66 also at Indy and Tulsa
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Thx for the correction.......of course I meant S/S and S/SA which was the super stock class abbrev before 66.

There were runners in these classes at the Winters and Indy in 65....so I cant work out why not the Spring Nats?

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Old 07-25-2019, 10:42 AM   #4
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My recollection and I was there, was that all the 65 Hemi cars were disqualified for hidden or illegal ballast.

The cars weighted less than the shipping weight when delivered.

That is why you later saw all the gas tank shields, non functional rear mounted traction bars etc.

If you can get a hold of Joe Smith former driver for Fenner Tubbs, he might be able to fill in the blanks. I think he still has Joe Smith Race Cars in the Dallas area. Could be wrong.

However I do also have a recollection of the "Black Arrow" running in eliminations. So maybe they just DQed the winner and runner up in class. Long time ago.
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My recollection and I was there, was that all the 65 Hemi cars were disqualified for hidden or illegal ballast.

The cars weighted less than the shipping weight when delivered.

That is why you later saw all the gas tank shields, non functional rear mounted traction bars etc.

If you can get a hold of Joe Smith former driver for Fenner Tubbs, he might be able to fill in the blanks. I think he still has Joe Smith Race Cars in the Dallas area. Could be wrong.

However I do also have a recollection of the "Black Arrow" running in eliminations. So maybe they just DQed the winner and runner up in class. Long time ago.
Thanks very much for the input. That confirms what I heard.
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Resurrecting this thread - Would anyone have a pic or know the name of Robert Borkes car? I believe it was a Dodge?
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Resurrecting this thread - Would anyone have a pic or know the name of Robert Borkes car? I believe it was a Dodge?
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Do you have a results sheet for 65 Springnationals?
I'm totally missing info on that meet.
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This is what I have from my own research and web site which is still in process. I’ll post Spring Nats and INDY seperately

66. Winternationals Pomona

Top Stock Eliminator
Shirley Shahan
def
K Heinemann (Mopar) A/SA

SS/A 65 Plymouth A990 - Drag On lady
426 Race Hemi
11.26 @ 126.76

AFXJerry Harvey
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Les Ritchie

66 Mustang
427 SOHC

BFX

CFX
Ed Terry

66 Galaxie
289 quad webbers

Super Stock Auto - S/SA
Joe Smith
def.
S Shahan (Mopar)

Plymouth A990 - Fenner Tubbs
426 Race Hemi
11.32 @ 126.93


Super Stock Stick - S/S
Butch Leal
Bye

Plymouth
A990 - California Flash
426 Race Hemi
11.5

A/SA
Dick Charbonneau
def
Fred Sanders (Mopar)

63 Plymouth
Stage 1 426 wedge
11.81 @ 119.52

A/S
Don Grotheer
def Jenkins (Chevy11 2800lbs!)

66 Plymouth (3650lbs!)
426 street hemi
11.98 @ 119.84

Junior Stock Eliminator
Wiley Cossey
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Bob Chiesa (58 Pontiac E/SA)

65 Biscayne B/S
427
12.49

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Oops sorry....that was 66. I’ll post up 65 shortly
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As you’ve discovered, results sheets for 65/66 are hard to come by.

Here are the 65 Spring Nats winners, but very little on the R/Ups.

Super Stock Eliminator
Mike Schmitt
def Robert Borkes (Ford?)
Ford Galaxy Lightweight - Desert Motors (719) (AA/S)
427 Hi Riser
12.32

A/FX
Don Nicholson
def
Dick Brannan (Ford Mustang SOHC)
Mercury Comet
427 SOHC
10.87 @ 129.12

B/FX
Jerry Harvey
65 Galaxy - The Quiet One - (790)
427 SOHC

C/FX
Bill Hoefer
65 Galaxy - (663)
289 Cobra

S/S DQ (weight) Mopar A990 426 Race Hemi
S/SA DQ (weight) Mopar A990 426 Race Hemi

AA/S Robert Borkes
Ford? - Welsh Motors

AA/SA Mike Schmitt 64 Galaxy - (719)
427 Hi Riser side oiler

Jr Stock Elim
Bill Hoefer
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Fred Hines/Doug Patterson (Mopar F/SA)
65 Galaxy 289 Cobra
14.08

A/S Mike Ulrey
64 Galaxy -(857)
427 Hi Riser side oiler
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