Pump gas in stock - Page 3

AJ Laferty · 11-04-2021, 03:53 PM

Just for conversation, here is the rule, in part, for gasoline, in the sports car club of america (SCCA) autocross rulebook. FYI "STREET" is more like "Pure Stock" and "Street Touring" is a little like "Stock." The rule used to be "must be pump gas..." would it help or hinder NHRA Stock class if a similar rule was adopted?

"3.6 FUEL A. Street and Street Touring® category vehicles will use fuel which is “Federally approved for use on public highways,” and which does not exceed an octane rating of 93 AKI (Anti-Knock Index = [R+M]/2) with an al lowed variance up to +0.9. Fuel may not exceed 15% ethanol (E15). "

SDT1DYI · 11-04-2021, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LASTNDN

Just for conversation, here is the rule, in part, for gasoline, in the sports car club of america (SCCA) autocross rulebook. FYI "STREET" is more like "Pure Stock" and "Street Touring" is a little like "Stock." The rule used to be "must be pump gas..." would it help or hinder NHRA Stock class if a similar rule was adopted?

"3.6 FUEL A. Street and Street Touring® category vehicles will use fuel which is “Federally approved for use on public highways,” and which does not exceed an octane rating of 93 AKI (Anti-Knock Index = [R+M]/2) with an al lowed variance up to +0.9. Fuel may not exceed 15% ethanol (E15). "

Sounds great but I'm unsure exactly how NHRA would and could test " Pump Gas" at the track.
As stated before in this thread, there are many different additives that can be added to increase performance, so fuel checks are mandatory for a level playing field.
That said, lower class Stock Eliminator cars are normally lower compression engines and budgets can be a concern Pump gas would be a cost saving for these racers and may in some cases help performance.
N and lower class cars, there's no roll bar requirements, simple rule change for N and lower class Stock Eliminator cars would be NO FUEL checks required.
Sure would help the traffic jam after the scales at some tracks!

Steve Teeter STK/SS 620

Jim Caughlin · 11-04-2021, 07:42 PM

The only comment I can make on this subject is the cost of the fuel that I consume at a race (and I'm running C16 which isn't cheap) is probably the least expensive part of the weekend. If the difference in cost between one of the lesser expensive race fuels and pump gas is going to break you, you're probably in the wrong sport.

Bill Bogues · 11-04-2021, 07:50 PM

yeah, but every little bit helps.....make a difference to people just barely hanging on.

SDT1DYI · 11-04-2021, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Bogues

yeah, but every little bit helps.....make a difference to people just barely hanging on.

C11 is now 17.00 $ a gallon . At a Divisonal double, with 3 TNTs 3-4 Qs runs and going 2-4 E runs
The difference between running C11 and pump gas could be as much as 150 00$ or more. Times 6-8 Divisonals and some National events, saving could over 1K annually.
Not a small number for some...

Mark Yacavone · 11-04-2021, 08:18 PM

Only thing I could think of is they (being NHRA tech ) could pick up a sample from the nearest let's say Shell station. Yours would have to look the same at fuel check. They're not gonna do it but maybe this will get them.
NHRA, are you listening ? Shell Oil shakedown!

Dave Gantz · 11-04-2021, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Only thing I could think of is they (being NHRA tech ) could pick up a sample from the nearest let's say Shell station. Yours would have to look the same at fuel check. They're not gonna do it but maybe this will get them.
NHRA, are you listening ? Shell Oil shakedown!

Good idea. Like you said though, NHRA has no motivation to do so. If it ain't their idea, it ain't a good idea.

SST3193 · 11-04-2021, 11:10 PM

Friend raced carts and they all brought fuel, it all went into the same big container. Everyone run that same fuel and whatever else was put in that fuel tanker. Certainly Sunoco ( or Whoever) would love to be seen dispensing fuel from a pretty fuel tanker.
Some deal along those lines could work but, OHHHH the bitchin’!

Henrys Toy · 11-05-2021, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Only thing I could think of is they (being NHRA tech ) could pick up a sample from the nearest let's say Shell station. Yours would have to look the same at fuel check. They're not gonna do it but maybe this will get them.
NHRA, are you listening ? Shell Oil shakedown!

Good morning Mark,
Funny you should mention Shell. Shell's Regular at the time when I was still using pump gas was the only one that would pass the fuel check. Also at the time there was a list available that showed the amount of "gasoline" still left in the fuel and Shell had the highest amount! Also enjoyed your list of race cars, have a Great Day.

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

Billy Nees · 11-05-2021, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SST3193

Certainly Sunoco ( or Whoever) would love to be seen dispensing fuel from a pretty fuel tanker.
Some deal along those lines could work but, OHHHH the bitchin’!

Now something like "everyone run that same fuel" would/could be interesting but..............
who gets to pick the fuel and is it always the same fuel. My stuff acts differently and wants different tune-ups on different fuels. Not to mention, a 396/375 is going to want a "hotter" fuel than a 6 cyl. Nova and that 6 cyl. Nova isn't going to run as well on the fuel that a 396/375 would need to live.

11-04-2021, 03:53 PM	#21
AJ Laferty Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Suffolk, VA Posts: 46 Likes: 76 Liked 24 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Pump gas in stock Just for conversation, here is the rule, in part, for gasoline, in the sports car club of america (SCCA) autocross rulebook. FYI "STREET" is more like "Pure Stock" and "Street Touring" is a little like "Stock." The rule used to be "must be pump gas..." would it help or hinder NHRA Stock class if a similar rule was adopted? "3.6 FUEL A. Street and Street Touring® category vehicles will use fuel which is “Federally approved for use on public highways,” and which does not exceed an octane rating of 93 AKI (Anti-Knock Index = [R+M]/2) with an al lowed variance up to +0.9. Fuel may not exceed 15% ethanol (E15). " __________________ Jeff Laferty Suffolk, VA

11-04-2021, 07:42 PM	#23
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 635 Likes: 70 Liked 693 Times in 208 Posts	Re: Pump gas in stock The only comment I can make on this subject is the cost of the fuel that I consume at a race (and I'm running C16 which isn't cheap) is probably the least expensive part of the weekend. If the difference in cost between one of the lesser expensive race fuels and pump gas is going to break you, you're probably in the wrong sport.

11-04-2021, 07:50 PM	#24
Bill Bogues Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bethany La. Posts: 318 Likes: 83 Liked 169 Times in 52 Posts	Re: Pump gas in stock yeah, but every little bit helps.....make a difference to people just barely hanging on. __________________ Bill Bogues 4696 STK

11-04-2021, 08:18 PM	#26
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,417 Likes: 2,582 Liked 4,453 Times in 1,694 Posts	Re: Pump gas in stock Only thing I could think of is they (being NHRA tech ) could pick up a sample from the nearest let's say Shell station. Yours would have to look the same at fuel check. They're not gonna do it but maybe this will get them. NHRA, are you listening ? Shell Oil shakedown! __________________ We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for..... Will Rogers

11-04-2021, 11:10 PM	#28
SST3193 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 37 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Pump gas in stock Friend raced carts and they all brought fuel, it all went into the same big container. Everyone run that same fuel and whatever else was put in that fuel tanker. Certainly Sunoco ( or Whoever) would love to be seen dispensing fuel from a pretty fuel tanker. Some deal along those lines could work but, OHHHH the bitchin’!