NHRA 2020 Rule Amendment SS Intakes???

[Erik Jones]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

To answer your question, No. I've heard of brands like Edelbrock, Wilson and Hogans, but not Jones intakes. So those are brands to me. If you choose to take one of those brands and fabricate it, that's your choice. If it works for you, go with it.

I don't understand how my opinion on what intake should be allowed for what make is getting anyone upset??? I'm entitled to my opinion aren't I? I mean, I have had a competition number in NHRA for like 15 years now. I think that makes my opinion valid here. I'm on the track, year after year, competing with these other combinations. So I'm sorry if someone is offended by my opinion on this subject.

So, answer my question. Should we allow the swapping of intake makes and adapter plates in Stock eliminator?

So What "Brand" is this and what does it fit? Just because you can't buy something doesn't mean it doesn't exist for the people who can buy it. I think your opinion is whats wrong with the way these ridiculous rules get started, People who don't make the parts we use shouldn't be heard the loudest.

Obviously in stock it doesn't say "Any" so that pretty much answers your question

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by Erik Jones

So What "Brand" is this and what does it fit? Just because you can't buy something doesn't mean it doesn't exist for the people who can buy it. I think your opinion is whats wrong with the way these ridiculous rules get started, People who don't make the parts we use shouldn't be heard the loudest.

Obviously in stock it doesn't say "Any" so that pretty much answers your question

Everyone is entitled to their opinion!!! You won’t see me getting all upset over it! Where in my post or any replies did I say your manifold couldn’t or shouldn’t be used???? Sorry I touched a nerve!!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Erik Jones

People who don't make the parts we use shouldn't be heard the loudest.

Erik, removing the double-negative from your statement, are you saying that the people who DO make the parts Should be heard the loudest??

Let's get something straight, the people who USE the parts Should be heard the loudest!

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Erik, removing the double-negative from your statement, are you saying that the people who DO make the parts Should be heard the loudest??

Let's get something straight, the people who USE the parts Should be heard the loudest!

Mama

[HawkBrosMav]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

Everyone is entitled to their opinion!!! You won’t see me getting all upset over it! Where in my post or any replies did I say your manifold couldn’t or shouldn’t be used???? Sorry I touched a nerve!!

Bryan, I think Eric's point is that if the intake he has shown the picture of is legal then why does it matter if I go buy a Edelbrock big block chevy head to install on my small block Ford engine. All it would take is some sort of adapter plates and boom I have my intake.. thats the sprit of the word "ANY"... If the want to write a rule that stops the heads from being modified to "cheat" the runner volume than go ahead.. but leave the intake out of the rule..

I don't know either of you or really have a dog in this discussion as I only run stock.. BUT this rule does seem a bit stupid if it in fact does mean you can only buy an out of the box aftermarket intake and port it or spend $$$ and go sheetmetal but anything in between is now deemed illegal..

To answer you question though.. just as Erik said.. no running incorrect intakes shouldn't carry over to stock. they SHOULD be factory no matter what and have the correct casting# just as the rule book states.. SS is a different animal.

Brad

[Kevin Panzino]

Gents, let take a breath. This is getting heated, and while it certainly should be getting heated, a lot of the 'heat' seems to be over the wrong aspect of this rule, at least in my opinion.
Most folks are focusing on the manifold-end of this rule, and also on the 'spacers'.

Since in SS, pretty much any intake manifold modifications are allowed, there is really no concern over this rule affecting the manifold designs out there. Regarding not allowing 'spacers', fine, so now I'll just tig-weld my 'spacer' to the manifold. Its now just a modified manifold, (allowed), or I'll just create an entire manifold from scratch.

The real issue with this rule impacts the HEADS not the manifold. The intake-face angle to combustion-surface angle limitation is the reason this rule is a very big deal, unprecedented, and in my opinion, is unfair. This was never previously a dimension that was called out on the blueprint specs, or the rulebook. Hence up to this point folks were permitted to do whatever they desired regarding this angle.

As a result of this new rule, I believe a lot more heads are now 'illegal' than the intended batch of heads that the folks who lobbied for this rule intended to target.


Kp

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by HawkBrosMav

Bryan, I think Eric's point is that if the intake he has shown the picture of is legal then why does it matter if I go buy a Edelbrock big block chevy head to install on my small block Ford engine. All it would take is some sort of adapter plates and boom I have my intake.. thats the sprit of the word "ANY"... If the want to write a rule that stops the heads from being modified to "cheat" the runner volume than go ahead.. but leave the intake out of the rule..

I don't know either of you or really have a dog in this discussion as I only run stock.. BUT this rule does seem a bit stupid if it in fact does mean you can only buy an out of the box aftermarket intake and port it or spend $$$ and go sheetmetal but anything in between is now deemed illegal..

To answer you question though.. just as Erik said.. no running incorrect intakes shouldn't carry over to stock. they SHOULD be factory no matter what and have the correct casting# just as the rule book states.. SS is a different animal.

Brad

I know what he's saying. I never questioned an intake being legal! My point was that since spacers and adapters are now illegal, which are needed to adapt Chevy intakes to Mopar,, as an example, use the intake that was made for that combo if you choose to go that route. If a guy like Jones buys Edelbrock intakes and machines them to fit without an adapter plate, then great. If it fits the new rule, great! I was not singling out anybody or any specific make, brand, etc. I was focused on the topic of the rule change, not what has been done for 50 years. I have used a sheet metal intake that was custom built for my heads. I knew they were legal in Super Stock.

And Brad, I surely hope you meant Intake and not Chevy heads for your Ford motor.

[Rod Greene]

So, answer my question. Should we allow the swapping of intake makes and adapter plates in Stock eliminator?

How does this even enter the discussion of SS heads? Off your meds? All stock manifolds have factory part number.

[Kevin Panzino]

Originally Posted by Rod Greene

So, answer my question. Should we allow the swapping of intake makes and adapter plates in Stock eliminator?

How does this even enter the discussion of SS heads? Off your meds? All stock manifolds have factory part number.

Rod, sorry if I missed it, (there are now many pages), but I didn't think this thread ever pertained to Stock. This thread was a Super Stock discussion.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

As it was just explained to me, the new rule applies to those who have an angled spacer plate being used to replace material that has been cut off at an angle on the intake side of the head. They will also be looking for the OEM angle between the intake side of the head and the block side of the head. That is what the +/- 2 degree allowance is about.

Okay... I haven't seen the rule, as written, but I don't see the problem then.
Everyone knows what the intake face angle should be on all the popular combinations.
That angle should be what's allowed. That, and the v.c. bolt hole limit.
The spacers shouldn't have anything to do with this.
Someone could change the head angle, then build a custom manifold to match it, if it were allowed.

Also, I believe some of the spacers would have to use countersunk bolts into the head, and then they would be covered up by the manifold pattern. So, no, you couldn't just weld the spacers to the manifold.

*Edit : I just read post # 12. I assume this was lifted from the new rule book.. Is this under intakes or heads?
This , too me , looks like NO adapters at all, in S/S.
I guess the saving grace here is that not too much of y'all's money could be going to their lawyers. What a bunch of contradictory gibberish.