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[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

The constitution does not expressly define “natural born” nor has the Supreme Court ever ruled precisely upon its meaning.

Under the 14th Amendment's Naturalization Clause and the Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. This type of citizenship is referred to as birthright citizenship.

Go peddle birther BS somewhere else.

You know what it means and why the writers put it in there .

So then why are you quoting Wong Kim Ark, when it's a 14th amendment case?

Let me bottom line this and end this theme you hate so much .
Anchor babies are not Natural Born Citizens and can't be President.

Oh wait...Define "birther" for your fans here.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

You know what it means and why the writers put it in there .

So then why are you quoting Wong Kim Ark, when it's a 14th amendment case?

Let me bottom line this and end this theme you hate so much .
Anchor babies are not Natural Born Citizens and can't be President.

Oh wait...Define "birther" for your fans here.

120 plus eligibility lawsuits from the 2008, 2012, and 2016 election cycles were dismissed in lower courts due to the challengers' difficulty in showing that they had standing to raise legal objections, which they didn't. Additionally, some experts have suggested that the precise meaning of the natural-born-citizen clause may never be decided by the courts because, in the end, presidential eligibility may be determined to be a non-justiciable political question that can be decided only by Congress rather than by the judicial branch of government. Until that time Mark all you have is opinion that is not based on FACT but on CONSPIRACY THEORY. These theorist i.e. Apaio, Zullo and the ever infamous dentist/lawyer Orly Taitz will again be cast aside by the facts and the law. You used the term "anchor babies", neither Congress nor the President have signed anything addressing this issue, no law, no legal basis to challenge one's citizenship. Birther = Conspiracy theorist


One of the conspiracy theorist finest moments:

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

120 plus eligibility lawsuits from the 2008, 2012, and 2016 election cycles were dismissed in lower courts due to the challengers' difficulty in showing that they had standing to raise legal objections, which they didn't. Additionally, some experts have suggested that the precise meaning of the natural-born-citizen clause may never be decided by the courts because, in the end, presidential eligibility may be determined to be a non-justiciable political question that can be decided only by Congress rather than by the judicial branch of government. Until that time Mark all you have is opinion that is not based on FACT but on CONSPIRACY THEORY. These theorist i.e. Apaio, Zullo and the ever infamous dentist/lawyer Orly Taitz will again be cast aside by the facts and the law. You used the term "anchor babies", neither Congress nor the President have signed anything addressing this issue, no law, no legal basis to challenge one's citizenship. Birther = Conspiracy theorist


One of the conspiracy theorist finest moments:


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How many time are you going to be wrong here?

O'Donnell? Talk about crackpots...A new low. I believe she pointed out that BO had a Ct. SSN...That's not theory ..THAT IS FACT

Arpaio and Zullo's four year investigation on three continents PROVED that BO's BC was a composite of his , and 17 items from Johanna A'nees BC, lifted and pasted on his. Proven!.. Not mathematically possible any other way.. This was illustrated by a certified Democrat court document examiner. BO's paper were dirty, which is all I ever said, 12 years ago. Why? Don't know..Don't care
I know this shatters your world view. Just because corrupt Washington establishment did nothing ...these are still the facts, jack. Would you expect corrupt Comey to look at it? You know the answer.
Give it up...In the end , all you have is Google , O'Donnell, and stupid names to deflect from the truth.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

How many time are you going to be wrong here?

O'Donnell? Talk about crackpots...A new low. I believe she pointed out that BO had a Ct. SSN...That's not theory ..THAT IS FACT

Arpaio and Zullo's four year investigation on three continents PROVED that BO's BC was a composite of his , and 17 items from Johanna A'nees BC, lifted and pasted on his. Proven!.. Not mathematically possible any other way.. This was illustrated by a certified Democrat court document examiner. BO's paper were dirty, which is all I ever said, 12 years ago. Why? Don't know..Don't care
I know this shatters your world view. Just because corrupt Washington establishment did nothing ...these are still the facts, jack. Would you expect corrupt Comey to look at it? You know the answer.
Give it up...In the end , all you have is Google , O'Donnell, and stupid names to deflect from the truth.

And all you have is “hear-say” and you know how that works in a court of law.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

And all you have is “hear-say” and you know how that works in a court of law.

Not hear -say. It's called well documented evidence.
All one needs is the courage to look at it with an open mind...That leaves you out.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Not hear -say. It's called well documented evidence.
All one needs is the courage to look at it with an open mind...That leaves you out.

You know nothing about me. Where is the evidence and why isn't it made public. I will always place the Constitution and the law above opinions...even yours. Harvard and Cornell Law is where I do my "google" research to prove my hypothesis, I don't get my information from Fox News or a transmission shop in the middle of the Arizona Desert. Stay out of the heat and be safe. This discussion has evolved back to the previous President and not the recently selected VP, who by the way was born in Oakland, CA, you have the proof with the birth certificate I provided...of the soil, Mark, of the soil.

[Mark Yacavone]

I see Fox is up to their old tricks again...covering up for non- Natural Born Citizens again, just like they did for Obame...Nowhere in their front page piece this AM, do they mention Natural Born Citizen, which is the crux of the matter



SEC. 316. [8 U.S.C. 1427]
(a) No person, except as otherwise provided in this title, shall be naturalized, unless such applicant, (1) immediately preceding the date of filing his application for naturalization has resided continuously, after being lawfully admitted for permanent residence, within the United States for at least five years and during the five years immediately preceding the date of filing his application has been physically present therein for periods totaling at least half of that time, and who has resided within the State or within the district of the Service in the United States in which the applicant filed the application for at least three months, (2) has resided continuously within the United States from the date of the application up to the time of admission to citizenship, (3) during all the periods referred to in this subsection has been and still is a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.

So it’s evident Harris’s parents weren’t U.S. citizens at the time of her birth. Thus she is ineligible to the offices of president and vice-president.

For both, the Constitution says one must be a “natural born citizen” of the United States, a deliberately higher standard than simple citizenship.

As stated in Minor vs. Happersett, by Bingham, Ramsey and in Vattel, to be a natural born citizen one needs to be born on US soil to TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS.

Remember, if it takes an act of Congress as the 14th clearly is, for one to be a citizen, then they are a naturalized citizen.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I see Fox is up to their old tricks again...covering up for non- Natural Born Citizens again, just like they did for Obame...Nowhere in their front page piece this AM, do they mention Natural Born Citizen, which is the crux of the matter



SEC. 316. [8 U.S.C. 1427]
(a) No person, except as otherwise provided in this title, shall be naturalized, unless such applicant, (1) immediately preceding the date of filing his application for naturalization has resided continuously, after being lawfully admitted for permanent residence, within the United States for at least five years and during the five years immediately preceding the date of filing his application has been physically present therein for periods totaling at least half of that time, and who has resided within the State or within the district of the Service in the United States in which the applicant filed the application for at least three months, (2) has resided continuously within the United States from the date of the application up to the time of admission to citizenship, (3) during all the periods referred to in this subsection has been and still is a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.

So it’s evident Harris’s parents weren’t U.S. citizens at the time of her birth. Thus she is ineligible to the offices of president and vice-president.

For both, the Constitution says one must be a “natural born citizen” of the United States, a deliberately higher standard than simple citizenship.
The Court first asked whether Minor was a citizen of the United States, and answered that she was, citing both the Fourteenth Amendment and earlier common law. Exploring the common-law origins of citizenship, the court observed that "new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization" and that the Constitution "does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens." Under the common law, according to the court, "it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” The court observed that some authorities "include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents"—but since Minor was born in the United States and her parents were U.S. citizens, she was unquestionably a citizen herself, even under the narrowest possible definition, and the court thus noted that the subject did not need to be explored in any greater depth, by Bingham, Ramsey and in Vattel, to be a natural born citizen one needs to be born on US soil to TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS.

Remember, if it takes an act of Congress as the 14th clearly is, for one to be a citizen, then they are a naturalized citizen.

Not a good case to prove your point...here the rest of the story.



The Court first asked whether Minor was a citizen of the United States, and answered that she was, citing both the Fourteenth Amendment and earlier common law. Exploring the common-law origins of citizenship, the court observed that "new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization" and that the Constitution "does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens." Under the common law, according to the court, "it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” The court observed that some authorities "include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents"—but since Minor was born in the United States and her parents were U.S. citizens, she was unquestionably a citizen herself, even under the narrowest possible definition, and the court thus noted that the subject did not need to be explored in any greater depth.

[Eddies66]

Here is a little more recent case, not one that is over a hundred years old and is addressing the right to vote for women.


In their complaint, the Plaintiffs appear to suggest that the Governor has a duty to determine a person's eligibility to become President in issuing the "Certificate of Ascertainment" "officially appointing the electors" who cast the State of Indiana's votes in the Electoral College, the body which decides the election for the President of the United State. The case studies both the citizenship McCain and Obama with regards to their eligibility to run for President.



https://www.courtlistener.com/opinio...te-of-indiana/

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Not a good case to prove your point...here the rest of the story.


—but since Minor was born in the United States and her parents were U.S. citizens, she was unquestionably a citizen herself, even under the narrowest possible definition, and the court thus noted that the subject did not need to be explored in any greater depth.

Herefore Minor was a NBC...KH is not.