Best Pontiac Powered Stockers - Page 41

oldskool · 02-10-2020, 03:52 AM

Pontiacs won 7 different classes at the '63 Winter Nats. I realize these results are not in order. Just posting them as I run across 'em.

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oldskool · 02-10-2020, 04:24 AM

Pontiacs won 3 classes at the '69 Winter Nats. Lindy Lindholm won I/SA, in a '58. Don't know how many different Pontiacs he raced. I suppose he'd still be racing one, if it hadn't been stolen.

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Gary Moore won F/S & set the nat record.

oldskool · 02-10-2020, 04:45 AM

Pontiacs won a couple of classes at the '70 Winter Nats. A Pontiac also held the K/SA nat record at the time.

NHRA Junior Stock

oldskool · 02-10-2020, 11:00 AM

Here are some Stock rules from 1966. I thought they were very interesting.

NHRA Junior Stock

NHRA Junior Stock

oldskool · 02-10-2020, 11:58 AM

This post says that Ramon Lowe set the C/SA mph record. But, the car appears to be a '62 GP, clearly marked E/SA.

NHRA Junior Stock

oldskool · 02-10-2020, 12:16 PM

In June '68, Pontiacs held several Stock records.

NHRA Junior Stock

oldskool · 02-10-2020, 12:35 PM

There were 3 Pontiac class winners at the '69 US Nats.

NHRA Junior Stock

oldskool · 02-10-2020, 03:17 PM

Can't remember if I've posed a link to this video or not. Anyhow, it's just a 5-min video, which has several Pontiacs in it.

oldskool · 02-12-2020, 08:04 AM

Think I've mentioned this here before. But, I wanna bring it up again.

In 1973, at my home track, Stock class cars could not run soft compound slicks or cheater slicks. They had to be the hard compound full tread street tires.

That's what the NHRA rule book said.

"In the 1973 NHRA rule book it states that cars in stock class are required to use street tires with full tread pattern. Any tire wheel combination may be used if it will fit into the original wheel well opening. Tires must not be altered from the tire manufacturer's original design or pattern. "CHEATER SLICKS' WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. "

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...5-jpg.1153558/

But, for 1974, we could run a new DOT cheater slick. It had 2 small grooves. Below are pics of M&H tires, that are still sold today. The tread pattern looks exactly as I remember, on those tires we ran in '74.

Anybody have a 1974 NHRA rulebook, from which you could copy & paste the tire rules, for Stock Elim ?

So, were any of you guys running Stock Elim in '74, even if only at your local track ? If so, did you run any of these tires, or know of others who did ?

I've read that NHRA actually made these tires legal, towards the end of the '73 season, just in time for the US Nats. After thinking this over, I remember that Truman Fields won the US Nats that year, in his '68 Bird. In the final, he & his opponent both set new nat records. I think Truman turned a 12.06.

So, now I'm wondering if both cars were using those DOT cheater slicks then. Anyone here know, for sure ?

On my computer files image, I can see wrinkles in Truman's RR tire. That means the tire was a wrinkle wall drag tire. That tells me that he was running those DOT Cheater slicks.

Sorry I don't have a way to produce a clear larger image. The last pic is of the tire on the Al Vanis, '74 Ventura, US Nats winner. Again, the pic is not clear, but appears to show wrinkles, even tho the car was sitting still in that pic. So, I assume he was also running the M&H DOT cheater slicks.

9"slicks were legal in '75. Does anybody here have more info on those DOT Cheater slicks which NHRA allowed in '74, & possibly the end of the '73 season ?

oldskool · 02-12-2020, 10:00 AM

Here's 3 more Pontiac wagons I found.

The caption under the last pic says that car swept Stock Elim. I assume that was at the Winter Nats. Also mentions the year 1967. The drivers name was Graham Douglas. So, do any of you guys have 1967 Winter Nats results, showing the Stock winner's name ?

A couple of online sources does show that car as the Jr. Stock winner.

https://www.revolvy.com/page/1967-NHRA-Winternationals

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/NHRA_Winternationals

NHRA Junior Stock

One source for this info is the Doug Boyce book: Junior Stock, which came out in 2012. I'd love to have a copy. But I'm not paying $55 for one.

https://www.amazon.com/Junior-Stock-.../dp/1934709913

Anybody here have a copy, you'd sell, real cheap, or would agree to look up race results in ?

02-10-2020, 03:52 AM	#401
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Pontiacs won 7 different classes at the '63 Winter Nats. I realize these results are not in order. Just posting them as I run across 'em. NHRA Junior Stock Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 11-13-2021 at 12:56 PM.

02-10-2020, 04:24 AM	#402
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Pontiacs won 3 classes at the '69 Winter Nats. Lindy Lindholm won I/SA, in a '58. Don't know how many different Pontiacs he raced. I suppose he'd still be racing one, if it hadn't been stolen. NHRA Junior Stock Gary Moore won F/S & set the nat record. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 11-13-2021 at 01:03 PM.

02-10-2020, 04:45 AM	#403
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Pontiacs won a couple of classes at the '70 Winter Nats. A Pontiac also held the K/SA nat record at the time. NHRA Junior Stock

02-10-2020, 11:00 AM	#404
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Here are some Stock rules from 1966. I thought they were very interesting. NHRA Junior Stock NHRA Junior Stock

02-10-2020, 11:58 AM	#405
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers This post says that Ramon Lowe set the C/SA mph record. But, the car appears to be a '62 GP, clearly marked E/SA. NHRA Junior Stock Attached Thumbnails

02-10-2020, 12:16 PM	#406
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers In June '68, Pontiacs held several Stock records. NHRA Junior Stock Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 11-13-2021 at 02:40 PM.

02-10-2020, 12:35 PM	#407
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers There were 3 Pontiac class winners at the '69 US Nats. NHRA Junior Stock Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 11-13-2021 at 02:47 PM.

02-10-2020, 03:17 PM	#408
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Can't remember if I've posed a link to this video or not. Anyhow, it's just a 5-min video, which has several Pontiacs in it.

02-12-2020, 08:04 AM	#409
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Think I've mentioned this here before. But, I wanna bring it up again. In 1973, at my home track, Stock class cars could not run soft compound slicks or cheater slicks. They had to be the hard compound full tread street tires. That's what the NHRA rule book said. "In the 1973 NHRA rule book it states that cars in stock class are required to use street tires with full tread pattern. Any tire wheel combination may be used if it will fit into the original wheel well opening. Tires must not be altered from the tire manufacturer's original design or pattern. "CHEATER SLICKS' WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. " https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...5-jpg.1153558/ But, for 1974, we could run a new DOT cheater slick. It had 2 small grooves. Below are pics of M&H tires, that are still sold today. The tread pattern looks exactly as I remember, on those tires we ran in '74. Anybody have a 1974 NHRA rulebook, from which you could copy & paste the tire rules, for Stock Elim ? So, were any of you guys running Stock Elim in '74, even if only at your local track ? If so, did you run any of these tires, or know of others who did ? I've read that NHRA actually made these tires legal, towards the end of the '73 season, just in time for the US Nats. After thinking this over, I remember that Truman Fields won the US Nats that year, in his '68 Bird. In the final, he & his opponent both set new nat records. I think Truman turned a 12.06. So, now I'm wondering if both cars were using those DOT cheater slicks then. Anyone here know, for sure ? On my computer files image, I can see wrinkles in Truman's RR tire. That means the tire was a wrinkle wall drag tire. That tells me that he was running those DOT Cheater slicks. Sorry I don't have a way to produce a clear larger image. The last pic is of the tire on the Al Vanis, '74 Ventura, US Nats winner. Again, the pic is not clear, but appears to show wrinkles, even tho the car was sitting still in that pic. So, I assume he was also running the M&H DOT cheater slicks. 9"slicks were legal in '75. Does anybody here have more info on those DOT Cheater slicks which NHRA allowed in '74, & possibly the end of the '73 season ? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 02-12-2020 at 08:50 AM.

02-12-2020, 10:00 AM	#410
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Here's 3 more Pontiac wagons I found. The caption under the last pic says that car swept Stock Elim. I assume that was at the Winter Nats. Also mentions the year 1967. The drivers name was Graham Douglas. So, do any of you guys have 1967 Winter Nats results, showing the Stock winner's name ? A couple of online sources does show that car as the Jr. Stock winner. https://www.revolvy.com/page/1967-NHRA-Winternationals https://www.wikiwand.com/en/NHRA_Winternationals NHRA Junior Stock One source for this info is the Doug Boyce book: Junior Stock, which came out in 2012. I'd love to have a copy. But I'm not paying $55 for one. https://www.amazon.com/Junior-Stock-.../dp/1934709913 Anybody here have a copy, you'd sell, real cheap, or would agree to look up race results in ? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 02-12-2020 at 10:51 AM.