SS round two

Chuck Norton · 02-11-2017, 12:10 PM

Does anyone have any information that relates to the first pairing of round 2?

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
767 Tim Hall 75 Mike Cotten
E2 0.056 10.538 100.17 ****WINNER**** 0.038 9.838 128.21
SS/JA Dial: 11.30 (+/-): -0.762 SS/IA Dial: 9.83 (+/-): 0.008
Prior rounds:
E1 (J Faherty ) 0.030 10.338 0.038 (R McClanahan) 0.018 9.847 0.027
Qualified: #24 10.306 -0.694 #9 9.866 -0.834

Based on the posted data, it appears that this was the second instance at this event in which a dial-in slower than the class index was somehow entered into the clocks and the race run without anyone catching it! If a racer, through some slip-up of attention manages to put the wrong number on the window and accepts the mistake by staging, that's on him/her but when a dial-in slower than the index is allowed to influence the outcome of that pairing, a serious shortcoming in the system has been exposed.

Save Redman!!!

c

Bob Mulry · 02-11-2017, 01:27 PM

Hi all,

I posted this yesterday in a different thread.........................

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++

What happened on this pass?????????????????

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
79 Nanette Stein 754 Lindy Lindholm
E1 ****WINNER**** 0.000 12.364 105.61 -0.028 11.388 115.00
O/SA Dial: 13.33 (+/-): -0.966 I/SA Dial: 11.38 (+/-):-008
Qualified: #33 12.382 -0.768 #1 11.274 -1.026

Stein nails the tree with a perfect light and then breaks out by almost a second. Wrong dial?
Lindholm runs 0.008 to his dial for the win.

She dialed in slower than the O/SA index and if she staged the car was out...He went red but I don't think that matters.....

Just trying to figure out what happened...

Anybody know??????

Thanx,
Bob

Chuck Norton · 02-11-2017, 02:05 PM

Some pertinent questions:

Is there anyone on the control deck in the tower that even knows what the E.T. indexes for O/SA and SS/JA are?

Is there a printed list of indexes hanging on the wall?

Does anyone in the tower at a national event understand how allowing competitors to dial over the index might impact the outcome of a pairing? An event? A season?

And, the most biggest question of all:

Does anyone care?

c

Ed Wright · 02-11-2017, 02:28 PM

I saw that 11.30 dial for Hall, and wondered how, with an 11.00 index, that ever happened? Or, somebody in the tower can't read?

They do put your dial up before you stage, so you can see it yourself.
Guess more than one person messed up there.

Mark Yacavone · 02-11-2017, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Norton

Some pertinent questions:

Is there anyone on the control deck in the tower that even knows what the E.T. indexes for O/SA and SS/JA are?

Is there a printed list of indexes hanging on the wall?

Does anyone in the tower at a national event understand how allowing competitors to dial over the index might impact the outcome of a pairing? An event? A season?

And, the most biggest question of all:

Does anyone care?

c

Should I take the last one first? Nah

I haven't run in to this one personally, in my own dealings.

I would assume all dial-ins have to be entered manually. Would there then be a safeguard in the software that wouldn't allow over- the- index dials?

Would that be too much to expect for a professional motor sports organization, such as NHRA?

Answers not needed.

Cotten · 02-11-2017, 05:10 PM

Tim did have 10.30 on his window. They put 11.30 as his dial in .

He missed it and I missed it.

I'll let him post what he was told but basically what we all know you buy it when you stage.

Bob Mulry · 02-11-2017, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cotten

Tim did have 10.30 on his window. They put 11.30 as his dial in .

He missed it and I missed it.

I'll let him post what he was told but basically what we all know you buy it when you stage.

So was he a DQ for dialing over and what happened in the 1st round of stock????

I don't know how they can fix the Lindy and Nan race??????

Even if he red lighted the incorrect over index dial occurred first and Lindy should have gone into the next round...

Nan didn't do anything wrong she put the correct number on the car, which NHRA didn't enter correctly which she didn't catch before staging. The only thing that Nan did wrong was to trust that NHRA would do their job correctly.

Cotten · 02-11-2017, 05:28 PM

No dq.
He lost because he broke out.

MR DERBY CITY · 02-11-2017, 06:04 PM

Final answer, they (NHRA) don't care.....

Mark Yacavone · 02-11-2017, 06:10 PM

Alright..Let me try this..Correct me if I'm wrong.
Nanette gets an extra second head start.
Lindy is waiting to close up on her. It never happens ..He throws in the towel, thinking she's breaking out ,big time.
He breaks out anyway, coasting . He loses.
NHRA software allows this.
Doesn't seem right ..Re-run..(Ain't gonna happen..they're behind with the Pros..

Yeah? No?

02-11-2017, 02:28 PM	#4
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 389 Times in 168 Posts	Re: SS round two I saw that 11.30 dial for Hall, and wondered how, with an 11.00 index, that ever happened? Or, somebody in the tower can't read? They do put your dial up before you stage, so you can see it yourself. Guess more than one person messed up there. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

02-11-2017, 05:10 PM	#6
Cotten Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 219 Likes: 454 Liked 485 Times in 58 Posts	Re: SS round two Tim did have 10.30 on his window. They put 11.30 as his dial in . He missed it and I missed it. I'll let him post what he was told but basically what we all know you buy it when you stage.

02-11-2017, 05:28 PM	#8
Cotten Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 219 Likes: 454 Liked 485 Times in 58 Posts	Re: SS round two No dq. He lost because he broke out.

02-11-2017, 06:10 PM	#10
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,435 Likes: 2,612 Liked 4,500 Times in 1,711 Posts	Re: SS round two Alright..Let me try this..Correct me if I'm wrong. Nanette gets an extra second head start. Lindy is waiting to close up on her. It never happens ..He throws in the towel, thinking she's breaking out ,big time. He breaks out anyway, coasting . He loses. NHRA software allows this. Doesn't seem right ..Re-run..(Ain't gonna happen..they're behind with the Pros.. Yeah? No? __________________ We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for..... Will Rogers

02-11-2017, 12:10 PM	#1
Chuck Norton Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Covina, CA Posts: 470 Likes: 81 Liked 69 Times in 15 Posts	SS round two Does anyone have any information that relates to the first pairing of round 2? Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed 767 Tim Hall 75 Mike Cotten E2 0.056 10.538 100.17 **WINNER** 0.038 9.838 128.21 SS/JA Dial: 11.30 (+/-): -0.762 SS/IA Dial: 9.83 (+/-): 0.008 Prior rounds: E1 (J Faherty ) 0.030 10.338 0.038 (R McClanahan) 0.018 9.847 0.027 Qualified: #24 10.306 -0.694 #9 9.866 -0.834 Based on the posted data, it appears that this was the second instance at this event in which a dial-in slower than the class index was somehow entered into the clocks and the race run without anyone catching it! If a racer, through some slip-up of attention manages to put the wrong number on the window and accepts the mistake by staging, that's on him/her but when a dial-in slower than the index is allowed to influence the outcome of that pairing, a serious shortcoming in the system has been exposed. Save Redman!!! c __________________ Chuck Norton

02-11-2017, 01:27 PM	#2
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,017 Likes: 57 Liked 321 Times in 101 Posts	Re: SS round two Hi all, I posted this yesterday in a different thread......................... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++ What happened on this pass????????????????? Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed 79 Nanette Stein 754 Lindy Lindholm E1 **WINNER** 0.000 12.364 105.61 -0.028 11.388 115.00 O/SA Dial: 13.33 (+/-): -0.966 I/SA Dial: 11.38 (+/-):-008 Qualified: #33 12.382 -0.768 #1 11.274 -1.026 Stein nails the tree with a perfect light and then breaks out by almost a second. Wrong dial? Lindholm runs 0.008 to his dial for the win. She dialed in slower than the O/SA index and if she staged the car was out...He went red but I don't think that matters..... Just trying to figure out what happened... Anybody know?????? Thanx, Bob __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports

02-11-2017, 02:05 PM	#3
Chuck Norton Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Covina, CA Posts: 470 Likes: 81 Liked 69 Times in 15 Posts	Re: SS round two Some pertinent questions: Is there anyone on the control deck in the tower that even knows what the E.T. indexes for O/SA and SS/JA are? Is there a printed list of indexes hanging on the wall? Does anyone in the tower at a national event understand how allowing competitors to dial over the index might impact the outcome of a pairing? An event? A season? And, the most biggest question of all: Does anyone care? c __________________ Chuck Norton

02-11-2017, 06:04 PM	#9
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,344 Likes: 876 Liked 6,702 Times in 1,300 Posts	Re: SS round two Final answer, they (NHRA) don't care.....