Mufflers

John DiBartolomeo · 01-20-2021, 08:30 AM

“Every motor vehicle used in a race or contest of speed at a facility located within three-quarters of a mile of an occupied residence shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler and exhaust system to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, provided the residence was constructed prior to the construction of such facility.”

Of course though, before you get too upset, this was taken from the June 1972 issue of Super Stock & Drag Illustrated penned by then editor Jim McCraw. I doubt that “Bill” is even on the books today.

https://dragracingedge.com/the-blog/mufflers/

rognelson777 · 01-20-2021, 12:41 PM

I can give many arguements for both sides of the noise issue. For example, when Englishtown was built the only time cars over 300 HP was when they had fuel dragsters that probably made 1,000 HP. Now we have street cars making 1,000 hp and top fuelers making 11,000 hp, It is significantly louder. You have to try to work with the community, Atco was doing a good job with community events to keep track going, but was blindsided by a crazy offer form a non racer.

Frank Castros · 01-20-2021, 01:55 PM

"Maybe that’s the problem today. People are afraid to say what’s really on their minds."

Or maybe if they do and someone doesn't appreciate it, you will be censored.

Greg Gay · 01-20-2021, 02:00 PM

I have two stories in this regard:

A close friend of mine was excited to tell me one day that his daughter and her husband were buying a house within a mile of New England Dragway. I could leave my car and trailer there, if I needed, or possibly even stay with them. I asked if the realtor had mentioned the dragstrip and the noise. Not a word. While I fully believe that the dragstrip was there first and has every right to continue to make the noise that it has always made, can you imagine making the biggest purchase of your life on Thursday, only to wake up and wonder, "What the hell is that noise?" on Saturday morning. The realtors have a responsibility to inform the buyers.

I went to the tower at Lebanon Valley about 5PM one Sunday evening to pick up my winnings. A neighbor was there giving the track owner a hard time about the noise. I asked, "Was the dragstrip here when you bought your house?" He just glared at me without answering.

Racecars don't need mufflers!

nhramnl · 01-20-2021, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Gay

I have two stories in this regard:

A close friend of mine was excited to tell me one day that his daughter and her husband were buying a house within a mile of New England Dragway. I could leave my car and trailer there, if I needed, or possibly even stay with them. I asked if the realtor had mentioned the dragstrip and the noise. Not a word. While I fully believe that the dragstrip was there first and has every right to continue to make the noise that it has always made, can you imagine making the biggest purchase of your life on Thursday, only to wake up and wonder, "What the hell is that noise?" on Saturday morning. The realtors have a responsibility to inform the buyers.

I went to the tower at Lebanon Valley about 5PM one Sunday evening to pick up my winnings. A neighbor was there giving the track owner a hard time about the noise. I asked, "Was the dragstrip here when you bought your house?" He just glared at me without answering.

Racecars don't need mufflers!

It's the "new" America, which is chock-full of "Karens". They buy a house near the airport for $5.00 (because it's near the airport), and immediately start going to City Council meetings, trying to get the airport closed (or property tax busting noise abatement measures imposed).

Chevy55 · 01-20-2021, 02:48 PM

Fighting noise ordnance laws is just another expense added to the cost of
running a racing facility and if they don't do it laws are passed that can
eventually put them out of business.

That's what happened here on Long Island and now we're shxt out of luck!

Carguy49 · 01-20-2021, 03:31 PM

I can see both sides of the discussion about mufflers or not.

Here's how I handled the question several years ago to a group of home owners.

I was racing at Bremerton Raceway (not far from Seattle) in 1996 and invited a friend from work to come and visit and bring his kids. After the racing was over for me that day my friend invited my future wife and myself to come to his home. Many neighbors come over to see my car and ask questions. One question that was unanimous was about the noise from the track and traffic coming and going. I asked all of them when they purchased their homes. It was in the last few years(5 to 10). I informed them that the track was there since 1959. Informed them that if they had any complaints about the noise they should contact their real estate agent and ask why they weren't informed of the track and noise from said track. The track was not at fault, but full disclosure from their agents was. A lot of blank looks on their faces followed. End of discussion.

I don't get the mentality of people who move near a noise making situation and then complain. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

lorenr · 01-20-2021, 03:54 PM

I remember when I was in grade school in the 1950's. In geography, the teacher informed us that soon there would be 2 billion people on earth.

Today there are over 7 billion. The world is really changing.

No doubt, noise pollution and many other types of pollution are going to make life more difficult. We are going to need to deal with lots of issues in the future. If you are not effected, you are very lucky.

rognelson777 · 01-20-2021, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Gay

I have two stories in this regard:

A close friend of mine was excited to tell me one day that his daughter and her husband were buying a house within a mile of New England Dragway. I could leave my car and trailer there, if I needed, or possibly even stay with them. I asked if the realtor had mentioned the dragstrip and the noise. Not a word. While I fully believe that the dragstrip was there first and has every right to continue to make the noise that it has always made, can you imagine making the biggest purchase of your life on Thursday, only to wake up and wonder, "What the hell is that noise?" on Saturday morning. The realtors have a responsibility to inform the buyers.

I went to the tower at Lebanon Valley about 5PM one Sunday evening to pick up my winnings. A neighbor was there giving the track owner a hard time about the noise. I asked, "Was the dragstrip here when you bought your house?" He just glared at me without answering.

Racecars don't need mufflers!

So here is a good one for you, I get a call for a Home improvement project because the guy is fixing up to sell his relatively new house. I get to house and ask why he is selling, the Trains are too loud, I look out window and train tracks are about 400 ft from house?

jjn38d · 01-20-2021, 10:02 PM

Our local track had new big buck home owners protesting at the track entrance as racers were leaving about 2 years ago. The homeowners got more than an education from each racer they approached. Basically the track was operating long before any homes were there, builder never mentioned the track was there. Their complaint should be with the builder. So far all is well for racing....

01-20-2021, 08:30 AM	#1
John DiBartolomeo Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Beaver Springs, PA Posts: 494 Likes: 1 Liked 1,283 Times in 159 Posts	Mufflers “Every motor vehicle used in a race or contest of speed at a facility located within three-quarters of a mile of an occupied residence shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler and exhaust system to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, provided the residence was constructed prior to the construction of such facility.” Of course though, before you get too upset, this was taken from the June 1972 issue of Super Stock & Drag Illustrated penned by then editor Jim McCraw. I doubt that “Bill” is even on the books today. https://dragracingedge.com/the-blog/mufflers/ Attached Thumbnails __________________ John DiBartolomeo DRC Race Products DragRacingActionOnline.com

01-20-2021, 12:41 PM	#2
rognelson777 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 372 Likes: 20 Liked 132 Times in 72 Posts	Re: Mufflers I can give many arguements for both sides of the noise issue. For example, when Englishtown was built the only time cars over 300 HP was when they had fuel dragsters that probably made 1,000 HP. Now we have street cars making 1,000 hp and top fuelers making 11,000 hp, It is significantly louder. You have to try to work with the community, Atco was doing a good job with community events to keep track going, but was blindsided by a crazy offer form a non racer.

01-20-2021, 01:55 PM	#3
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,641 Likes: 2,154 Liked 2,081 Times in 769 Posts	Re: Mufflers "Maybe that’s the problem today. People are afraid to say what’s really on their minds." Or maybe if they do and someone doesn't appreciate it, you will be censored.

01-20-2021, 02:00 PM	#4
Greg Gay Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 348 Likes: 8 Liked 218 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Mufflers I have two stories in this regard: A close friend of mine was excited to tell me one day that his daughter and her husband were buying a house within a mile of New England Dragway. I could leave my car and trailer there, if I needed, or possibly even stay with them. I asked if the realtor had mentioned the dragstrip and the noise. Not a word. While I fully believe that the dragstrip was there first and has every right to continue to make the noise that it has always made, can you imagine making the biggest purchase of your life on Thursday, only to wake up and wonder, "What the hell is that noise?" on Saturday morning. The realtors have a responsibility to inform the buyers. I went to the tower at Lebanon Valley about 5PM one Sunday evening to pick up my winnings. A neighbor was there giving the track owner a hard time about the noise. I asked, "Was the dragstrip here when you bought your house?" He just glared at me without answering. Racecars don't need mufflers!

01-20-2021, 02:48 PM	#6
Chevy55 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 304 Likes: 606 Liked 167 Times in 83 Posts	Re: Mufflers Fighting noise ordnance laws is just another expense added to the cost of running a racing facility and if they don't do it laws are passed that can eventually put them out of business. That's what happened here on Long Island and now we're shxt out of luck!

01-20-2021, 03:31 PM	#7
Carguy49 VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Fife, Washington Posts: 1,842 Likes: 1,766 Liked 2,230 Times in 596 Posts	Re: Mufflers I can see both sides of the discussion about mufflers or not. Here's how I handled the question several years ago to a group of home owners. I was racing at Bremerton Raceway (not far from Seattle) in 1996 and invited a friend from work to come and visit and bring his kids. After the racing was over for me that day my friend invited my future wife and myself to come to his home. Many neighbors come over to see my car and ask questions. One question that was unanimous was about the noise from the track and traffic coming and going. I asked all of them when they purchased their homes. It was in the last few years(5 to 10). I informed them that the track was there since 1959. Informed them that if they had any complaints about the noise they should contact their real estate agent and ask why they weren't informed of the track and noise from said track. The track was not at fault, but full disclosure from their agents was. A lot of blank looks on their faces followed. End of discussion. I don't get the mentality of people who move near a noise making situation and then complain. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. __________________ Ron McDowell - Did Race Every day is a Gift - Enjoy with family and friends. Last edited by Carguy49; 01-20-2021 at 05:08 PM.

01-20-2021, 03:54 PM	#8
lorenr Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 47 Likes: 246 Liked 16 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Mufflers I remember when I was in grade school in the 1950's. In geography, the teacher informed us that soon there would be 2 billion people on earth. Today there are over 7 billion. The world is really changing. No doubt, noise pollution and many other types of pollution are going to make life more difficult. We are going to need to deal with lots of issues in the future. If you are not effected, you are very lucky.

01-20-2021, 10:02 PM	#10
jjn38d Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Western PA Posts: 6 Likes: 88 Liked 9 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Mufflers Our local track had new big buck home owners protesting at the track entrance as racers were leaving about 2 years ago. The homeowners got more than an education from each racer they approached. Basically the track was operating long before any homes were there, builder never mentioned the track was there. Their complaint should be with the builder. So far all is well for racing....