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Old 10-03-2009, 11:21 AM   #11
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These "people" hold some of the most important documentation and refuse to release it for public consumption. Specifically, they hold the 1969 VIN and crossover to the 1970 AMC issued VINs. That's pretty important. AMC instructed and supplied 1970 VINs and changeover parts. There is documentation to support this and as I said, a cross reference.
No doubt any and all SS/AMX owners can exchange knowledge and anything else they like but in my opinion they are not doing anybody a favor.
FYI - I'm getting a pair of correct SS/AMX 4584 Holleys restored to new condition and they will be for sale once completed. If you know anybody missing these valuable pieces, send them my way.
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Old 10-03-2009, 07:45 PM   #12
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These "people" hold some of the most important documentation and refuse to release it for public consumption. Specifically, they hold the 1969 VIN and crossover to the 1970 AMC issued VINs. That's pretty important. AMC instructed and supplied 1970 VINs and changeover parts. There is documentation to support this and as I said, a cross reference.
No doubt any and all SS/AMX owners can exchange knowledge and anything else they like but in my opinion they are not doing anybody a favor.
FYI - I'm getting a pair of correct SS/AMX 4584 Holleys restored to new condition and they will be for sale once completed. If you know anybody missing these valuable pieces, send them my way.
Ha ha. Well, we disagree.
If they got it, so can others get it. What it takes, and I believe the players are in place with the gumption, is undeterrable determination. Don't see the place these cars have in the real overall scheme of things in the car and race car world as the equivalent of the Ferrari Registry or the like where cars change hands for millions and maintenance costs alone get into the hundreds of thousands. The stakes are considerably higher there. But the resources exist and are available to determine the various cars' provenance. See, the people I've encountered that own one or two or have owned a car in the past have been nothing but forthcoming, helpful, friendly, and generous with the information they have. Same goes for the big players in part responsible for creating these cars in the first place. But somehow I and others are to believe that a select few got a whole ream of source information in black and white or blue and white, a master list of 70 conversion vins ( which weren't many and through guesswork alone there's a ballpark accounting for what they are and the vin grouping they would be and the build dates for them ), and the '69 vins? Hmmm, all the vins...then....that...would.....mean... they'd know all the cars and their original dealer affiliation! Problem is some of these cars were secured at one dealer and then transferred to another or people would travel and pick a car up from a dealer that had stepped up to the plate. Then the cars took on the name and affiliation of the gaining dealer, not the losing one. Which is why there are discrepancies existing that further investigation has shown what the ultimate trail is the car followed. Yet, on the internet these associations aren't evident.... hmmm. That means that either the information is not known to the "guardians of the word" or they are seriously behind in their connective updates, or they do know but don't want anyone else to.
Usually when there is crucial documentary evidence, i.e., company memos, build sheets, vin reassignments, homologation notifications- there exists the original documents and then the copies. Rarely does the holder of the originals just give them up. So if copies are obtained either through sanction and permission, or by other means- there exists more than one party in knowledge of the information. For the Provahder(s) ( pronounced the same way that President Bush did when he proclaimed himself to be the...." Deecahder ") to continue to be mum when subsequent seekers come along as though there was a tacit agreement between the Provahder(s) and the "Original Crusaders" is a tough sell after forty years of bs and contradiction. If the "Original Crusaders" ( hereafter referred to as " The Ha Ha, We Got There First Gang") somehow got information on the sly, nonetheless, the source still exists. In other words if they have information, that others don't, and it is legitimate information then a legitimate source also exists. And there is no reason that stands up to scrutiny that would justify an agreement that would result in casting more doubt, putting out more disinformation and obscuring the path to helpful resources for restoration endeavors, and finally, a greater shortness of ultimate credibility in the auto world than what the situation currently provides– whatever the underlying truth is.
I sure don't believe that there are those out there running that have the complete picture. They may have pieces of the jigsaw and maybe they've played a cat and mouse game for years with the list of cars put out there while not saying anything when others have offered up alternatives. Maybe they do know all...
However, the argument that it would be too easy to clone these cars if the complete picture was certain rather than an educated guess of the present is specious at best. The ignorance that currently exists makes it easier to cash in on benefit of the doubt it's a legitimate Hurst SS because enough shadowy "facts" or outright lack of knowledge causes some people to go up blind alleys thinking they have the real deal.
If the "lucky few" got the information why when others have stepped up to the plate economically didn't they provide them the information? In any case it's excuses like that about the cloning or the suggestion that there is a "Trilateral Commission" with the secret knowledge ( and the equivalent secret handshake or displaying their unbendable pinkies– the identifier of the aliens in the sixties Quinn Martin series– The Invaders ) that motivated me the most to find the answers. That crap don't hold any sway. In fact, it's the juice to keep on digging. Not that I believe the "Knowledge Holders" really have the whole enchilada. Just the notion that one should play ball or should accept the status quo, alone, is the spur onward. Tell them boys hi for us, we're comin'.

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Old 10-04-2009, 06:13 PM   #13
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FYI - I'm getting a pair of correct SS/AMX 4584 Holleys restored to new condition and they will be for sale once completed. If you know anybody missing these valuable pieces, send them my way.
http://members3.boardhost.com/amxjav...254065254.html

A guy named Nathan in the above thread says he's looking for any and all SS specific parts for an upcoming project- he gives his number in the ad as well.

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Old 10-05-2009, 04:58 PM   #14
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Thank you all for any info you have given me. It has been very helpful. Please keep it coming.

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Old 11-24-2009, 04:59 PM   #15
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I want to thank everyone who sent me info on these cars. ZI posted everywhere i could find and actually verified a few cars, found two missing cars, and talked to Ted Kijak, Ross Gilbert, and Dick Erlandson who actually raced these cars. Also corresponded with others, and the sons of 3 drivers who have since passed away. the info I was able to compile is incredible-and it's free to anyone. Just click on the link above in my first post if you want to know anything about the cars. And as always, if you have anything to contribute I would love it.


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Old 11-25-2009, 10:42 AM   #16
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Jimmy Clark(who lived in Raymond, Ms.) I believe had one of the original ones back in 1970 or 71. He worked as a mechanic at the Ford Dealer in Raymond at that time. I know the car changed hands several times and eventualy was destroyed in a crash at Riverside Raceway in Pearl, Ms. some years ago. The car belonged to Mike McCool from Jackson, Ms. when it crashed. Mike passed a couple of years ago but Jimmy is still around. I talked with Robbie(Jimmy's son) earlier today and he's going to check with his dad if car was original one or not. I'll post when I find out.
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Old 12-13-2009, 12:04 PM   #17
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Thanks for any help. Any news about the above car owned by Jimmy Clark?

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Old 12-13-2009, 08:24 PM   #18
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Skeeter hernandez moved from Maryland to Fla. years ago and raced ss mopars for awhile. the AMX was sponrored by speed unlimited.
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I owned Pete's Patriot twice in the late 70s. Do I know you?
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