Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

[Rat Patrol]

One thing Im not clear on - in 66 did these R code cars run in A/Stock or B/Stock with a steel hood?

Couple of points on. the Fairlanes -

The articles I have says
- there were 57 , (1966) and 229 1967
- there were 11 67 W code with scoops
- some delete ‘options’ like sound deadener

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/art...irlane-500-427

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0111-10...e-lightweight/

Claims of 11 W Codes in this link-

http://www.forristalls.com/1967%2042..._Fairlane.html

This link confirms 67 W Codes.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/art...lane-xl500-427

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

One thing Im not clear on - in 66 did these R code cars run in A/Stock or B/Stock with a steel hood?

Couple of points on. the Fairlanes -

The articles I have says
- there were 57 , (1966) and 229 1967
- there were 11 67 W code with scoops
- some delete ‘options’ like sound deadener

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/art...irlane-500-427

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0111-10...e-lightweight/

Claims of 11 W Codes in this link-

http://www.forristalls.com/1967%2042..._Fairlane.html

This link confirms 67 W Codes.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/art...lane-xl500-427

Good links! I hadnt seen those.
As far as running A/S=7.00 class in 1966, I think the car would have to run a steel hood to run stock class, and then as a 4bbl car, I get a W/P=8.29 which is not ideal for the class, but way too light for B/S=8.70 class. I'm not sure that combo would have been allowed to run in 1966 at a national NHRA meet, because in 1966, they were all built with glass hoods. Still, that 427-4v Medium Riser made a whole lot more than 410hp so locally would have no trouble winning A/S=7.00 class even with a mid-pack W/P=8.29 like that.

Remember that in 1966 ONLY, A/S cars got to run any cam, any intake, which is why the normally overrated 327/350hp L79 of Grump was so competitive - swap intakes & cams in that L79 & with fenderwell headers, you're in almost 500hp gross territory. The 427 Ford was similar. Its intake was pretty good already, but there was a better one (the sidewinder), and much hotter cams, and the engine would take the revs. So I can see why, IF ALLOWED TO RUN, the steel hood 4bbl Fairlane, unfactored at 410hp, would have had a field day in A/S=7.00 with 1966 rules, making well over 500hp gross.

Yes, I had down 20 W-codes for 1967, looks like 11 is a newer number. Some folks really nit-pick that stuff (11 vs 20) but for me it's just "a few".

I'm not so sure about the glass hoods though. I SEE all the glass hoods in the pictures, but almost everybody added a glass hood to run in SuperStock because once it was NHRA legal, the cold air gave the car a power edge. But its my understanding that all the 67 Fairlanes were factory with steel hoods. That may be what the Ed Terry SNAFU was about - Ford probably wrote a letter (delivered too late) saying "the glass hood was available" but as I've heard it they werent built that way.

In fact, the 1968 NHRA class guide lists ONLY 3 options to run:
* 4bbl, steel hood
* 8bbl, steel hood
* 8bbl, glass hood
No listing for a 4bbl glass hood in RACE YEAR 1968, but I've read guys say they ran a 4bbl glass hood car in Race Year 1967. This could have gone into early 1968 race year, again a story I'm still sorting out.

The last article gets pretty fast & loose with history, still a good story though.

Well, I'm glad a few of us still care!

[Rat Patrol]

I have pictures if Tom Schumacher running his W Code Hardtop with a steel hood in A/Stock....but that may have been 67.

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

I have pictures if Tom Schumacher running his W Code Hardtop with a steel hood in A/Stock....but that may have been 67.

YES, as I have it down, Schumacher ran a steel hood 4bbl hardtop in 1968 at W/P=8.29, in A/S=8.00 class.

In 1969 he went to a 2-door post car. That ran a flat hood and a 427-4bbl, and unfactored at 410hp, came in bang-on the B/S=8.00 class break for 1969. Quite a few wins for that car since at 410hp it was still way underrated, even though the generous rules of 1966 didnt apply any more.

I forgot it's just morning way over there where you are, right?
One of our cats already went to bed here.

[DeuceCoupe]

Another good link to read on the 66-67 427-4v-Glass Hood Fairlane:

https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...ad.php?t=73873

Seems like the 4v + Glass Hood combo was:
1966: Ok wherever the Glass Hood was legal to run at all (maybe a function of the track, level of the meet eg a National, and maybe always ok in AHRA but maybe not in NHRA)

1967 to Mid-1968: OK in NHRA, putting the cars in the W/P=7.70 class

Mid-1968 to probably past 1988 (see other thread): Not legal in NHRA, and the records of those cars seem to vanish

After-1988-some-time until 2021+ : Legal per the current NHRA guides, like many other combos that were not actually built

That's how I read it, but it's a little fuzzy with changes over the years & different experiences of different cars. I wish all the old pictures had SINGLE QUAD or DUAL QUAD in big letters on the front fenders. That would look kinda boring though.

[Rat Patrol]

DC - Do you have any results lists for 69? I’m just starting to write up the page.

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

DC - Do you have any results lists for 69? I’m just starting to write up the page.

Yes, of various pedigree. I'll dig some out.
I have original Pomona sheets somewhere, have to dig em out.

I have a narrative from drag news for 69 Indy, no results sheets. Here are the files I built from that, including the usual few guesses in pink, but also a couple that are just plain listed wrong, which is also all too common.

For example C/SA=8.50 Morgan shows a GTO. No GTO ever ran up that high. Morgan had a 63 Max Wedge wagon.

D/S=9.00 lists Robertson in a 69 Buick but again no such combo. Could be a RamAir4 or a 67 Z28.

SuperStock narrative is really unusual. They list:
*Winner
*1st Alternate (I call runner up or RU)
*2nd Alternate (I call ALT)
I've never seen one written up like that, but there we are.
I was surprised to see a 64 LWG Galaxie in there as RU as late as 1969.
This was the last year the 64s could run in SS due to the 5-year rule, and the 63s were already gone from SS.

[Rat Patrol]

Thx DC thats a huge help - I’ll be posting a clipping from a mag.that will interest you later! 😉

[Rat Patrol]

They got the car down to high 11s with slicks.

Main thing is, they confirm SS/B with R code, SS/C with W Code

Mag is dated Sept 67.

[oldskool]

Since I'm always lookin for the Pontiacs, I couldn't help but notice that the new RAIV powered Pontiacs won D/S & D/SA.

Rod Kister had won the Stock points championship in '68, with his big '60 Pontiac rec holder, also named "Big Iron". Then the '69 Judge was followed by a '70 Judge Big Iron.

Not familiar with the other driver's name.

John Thropp ran at least 2 different '57 Pontiac bodies.