Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'

Paul Ceasrine · 08-02-2011, 09:51 AM

Attachments

SS/EA Showdown,,,,,,
1970 Indy Nationals,,,,,

MYTH, MYSTERY or MISCONCEPTION

Ray Allen, 1970 Chevelle Malibu Convertible SS454/450HP LS-6
Briggs Chevrolet,,,,,
"Truppi-Kling Competition"

versus

Jack Werst, 1970 Superbird, 426/425HP Street Hemi
Bash Engine
"Philadelphia Region Plymouth Dealers Association"

False claims,,,,,,,that they never raced each other....

Ray Allen won the SS/EA Class at the 1970 Indy Nationals...
But, was eliminated in Super/Stock Eliminator.

Paul Ceasrine · 08-02-2011, 10:31 AM

General Specifications:

1970 Chevelle Malibu Convertible SS454/450 HP LS-6
Car Weight; 3734 lbs.,,(with T/H automatic transmission)
Horsepower; NHRA re-factored to 465HP
Car weight/horsepower factor = 8.03

1970 Plymouth Superbird 426/425HP Street Hemi
Car Weight; 3837 lbs.
Horsepower; NHRA re-factored to 465HP
Car weight/horsepower factor = 8.25

NHRA 1970 SS/EA Class = (8.00 - 8.49 wt/hp)

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Paul Ceasrine · 08-02-2011, 11:06 AM

SS/EA Class

General Information for 1970

John Tedder won the SS/EA Class at;
* Winternationals
* Gatornationals
* Springnationals

John Tedder ran a 1969 Plymouth GTX Convertible 426 Street Hemi.

Ray Allen set the SS/EA Class record during the year with an 11.33 elapsed time.

Dick Landy re-set the SS/EA Class record with an 11.27 elapsed time,
with his 1970 Charger R/T Street Hemi.

The 5-year rule was in place for the 1970 Super/Stock Class. So the
1964 and earlier Max-Wedge cars could not compete in Super Stock. (SS/EA)

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Bobby Zlatkin · 08-02-2011, 11:21 AM

Paul, I see you're a real historian of the 60's (and early 70's) factory's top offerings.

I was at the Gator's one year in the early 70's and saw the blue '71 Corvette LS6 (can't believe I can't remember his name) in SS/DA class elim. Also a Truppi-Kling car. There was a bunch of Chyrsler engineers there and a bunch of Mopar street hemi entries there. The Corvette pulled away from every Chrysler that he ran and won class. SS/DA was one of the most popular classes back then.

Right after that the Corvette was moved into SS/CA.

Gosh, I wish we could go back to those times. But I guess the new factory entries are where it's at now.

Bobby DiDomenico · 08-02-2011, 11:38 AM

[QUOTE=Bobby Zlatkin;272542]Paul, I see you're a real historian of the 60's (and early 70's) factory's top offerings.

I was at the Gator's one year in the early 70's and saw the blue '71 Corvette LS6 (can't believe I can't remember his name) in SS/DA class elim. Also a Truppi-Kling car. There was a bunch of Chyrsler engineers there and a bunch of Mopar street hemi entries there. The Corvette pulled away from every Chrysler that he ran and won class. SS/DA was one of the most popular classes back then.

Right after that the Corvette was moved into SS/CA.QUOTE]

I recall Bernie Agaman breaking half shafts a lot and getting bigger tubes each time, same guy?

Dennis P Chapman · 08-02-2011, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Zlatkin

Paul, I see you're a real historian of the 60's (and early 70's) factory's top offerings.

I was at the Gator's one year in the early 70's and saw the blue '71 Corvette LS6 (can't believe I can't remember his name) in SS/DA class elim. Also a Truppi-Kling car. There was a bunch of Chyrsler engineers there and a bunch of Mopar street hemi entries there. The Corvette pulled away from every Chrysler that he ran and won class. SS/DA was one of the most popular classes back then.

Right after that the Corvette was moved into SS/CA.

Gosh, I wish we could go back to those times. But I guess the new factory entries are where it's at now.

That was Bernie Agaman at the gators in 1976 he broke a half shaft. He was running SS/CA by then that was a fast car.

Bobby Zlatkin · 08-02-2011, 01:51 PM

Yes, Bernie Agaman. I drew a blank on that.

I'm sure that had a lot to do with NHRA finally allowing Corvettes to use solid axles.

We had a customer with a '79 stock Corvette that we installed a crate LS6 into (You used to be able to buy them in the late '80's for around $2,500). Turbo 350 trans, stock torque converter & 3.55 gears. Every couple of weeks he'd bring by his lastest half shaft failure, that he'd twisted like a pretzel, to show us. Of course he drove it like an animal.

Rich Erickson · 08-04-2011, 11:45 PM

Indy 1970 Richard Charbonneau

Phillip marvetz · 08-05-2011, 02:27 AM

Dave Wren told some of us at lunch about Chrysler asking him to build a 71 Cuda convertible to go after Ray.

Paul Ceasrine · 08-05-2011, 10:33 AM

Maybe just as good a running SS/EA 1970 Hemi Superbird,,,,,,,
Tim Richards in the Karl Gould car.

Tim won the SS/EA Class at the 1970 Summernationals at York US30 Drag-O-Way.

08-02-2011, 09:51 AM	#1
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' Attachments SS/EA Showdown,,,,,, 1970 Indy Nationals,,,,, MYTH, MYSTERY or MISCONCEPTION Ray Allen, 1970 Chevelle Malibu Convertible SS454/450HP LS-6 Briggs Chevrolet,,,,, "Truppi-Kling Competition" versus Jack Werst, 1970 Superbird, 426/425HP Street Hemi Bash Engine "Philadelphia Region Plymouth Dealers Association" False claims,,,,,,,that they never raced each other.... Ray Allen won the SS/EA Class at the 1970 Indy Nationals... But, was eliminated in Super/Stock Eliminator. Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 08-02-2011 at 11:20 AM. Reason: add-on

08-02-2011, 10:31 AM	#2
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' General Specifications: 1970 Chevelle Malibu Convertible SS454/450 HP LS-6 Car Weight; 3734 lbs.,,(with T/H automatic transmission) Horsepower; NHRA re-factored to 465HP Car weight/horsepower factor = 8.03 1970 Plymouth Superbird 426/425HP Street Hemi Car Weight; 3837 lbs. Horsepower; NHRA re-factored to 465HP Car weight/horsepower factor = 8.25 NHRA 1970 SS/EA Class = (8.00 - 8.49 wt/hp) pc Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 12-19-2014 at 09:37 PM.

08-02-2011, 11:06 AM	#3
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' SS/EA Class General Information for 1970 John Tedder won the SS/EA Class at; * Winternationals * Gatornationals * Springnationals John Tedder ran a 1969 Plymouth GTX Convertible 426 Street Hemi. Ray Allen set the SS/EA Class record during the year with an 11.33 elapsed time. Dick Landy re-set the SS/EA Class record with an 11.27 elapsed time, with his 1970 Charger R/T Street Hemi. The 5-year rule was in place for the 1970 Super/Stock Class. So the 1964 and earlier Max-Wedge cars could not compete in Super Stock. (SS/EA) pc Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 08-03-2011 at 08:24 PM.

08-02-2011, 11:21 AM	#4
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' Paul, I see you're a real historian of the 60's (and early 70's) factory's top offerings. I was at the Gator's one year in the early 70's and saw the blue '71 Corvette LS6 (can't believe I can't remember his name) in SS/DA class elim. Also a Truppi-Kling car. There was a bunch of Chyrsler engineers there and a bunch of Mopar street hemi entries there. The Corvette pulled away from every Chrysler that he ran and won class. SS/DA was one of the most popular classes back then. Right after that the Corvette was moved into SS/CA. Gosh, I wish we could go back to those times. But I guess the new factory entries are where it's at now. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

08-02-2011, 11:38 AM	#5
Bobby DiDomenico Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 907 Likes: 85 Liked 89 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' [QUOTE=Bobby Zlatkin;272542]Paul, I see you're a real historian of the 60's (and early 70's) factory's top offerings. I was at the Gator's one year in the early 70's and saw the blue '71 Corvette LS6 (can't believe I can't remember his name) in SS/DA class elim. Also a Truppi-Kling car. There was a bunch of Chyrsler engineers there and a bunch of Mopar street hemi entries there. The Corvette pulled away from every Chrysler that he ran and won class. SS/DA was one of the most popular classes back then. Right after that the Corvette was moved into SS/CA.QUOTE] I recall Bernie Agaman breaking half shafts a lot and getting bigger tubes each time, same guy?

08-02-2011, 01:51 PM	#7
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' Yes, Bernie Agaman. I drew a blank on that. I'm sure that had a lot to do with NHRA finally allowing Corvettes to use solid axles. We had a customer with a '79 stock Corvette that we installed a crate LS6 into (You used to be able to buy them in the late '80's for around $2,500). Turbo 350 trans, stock torque converter & 3.55 gears. Every couple of weeks he'd bring by his lastest half shaft failure, that he'd twisted like a pretzel, to show us. Of course he drove it like an animal. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

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Rich Erickson Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 246 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' Indy 1970 Richard Charbonneau

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Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' Dave Wren told some of us at lunch about Chrysler asking him to build a 71 Cuda convertible to go after Ray. __________________ 2009 V/SA Record Holder

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Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' Maybe just as good a running SS/EA 1970 Hemi Superbird,,,,,,, Tim Richards in the Karl Gould car. Tim won the SS/EA Class at the 1970 Summernationals at York US30 Drag-O-Way. Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 08-05-2011 at 10:36 AM.