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Old 08-25-2020, 11:26 AM   #591
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Default Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers

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There was a '68 Bird, which ran back in the late '90's & early 2000's. Sometimes the driver is listed as Jack Treola, sometimes as James Treola. Both names are listed as being from WV. Sometimes the # was 9049. Sometimes it was 3049.
Jack and Bill were a couple of really nice fellows, who I believe, won the Div. 3 championship in the mid- 90's .I haven't heard anything lately about them or the car.

I don't recall if you covered Ron Prince's 68 Bird, which stays pretty close to the Brainerd area.It has a Line engine, I believe.
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Old 08-26-2020, 01:50 AM   #592
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"...I don't recall if you covered Ron Prince's 68 Bird, which stays pretty close to the Brainerd area.It has a Line engine..."

I probably mentioned it. But may have not posted many race results for the car. I suppose the reason for that may have been that it did not post any really big qualifying numbers, or show up in the finals of lots of races, like some of the other cars mentioned here.

For SOME driver names, the DRC search function works real good. For some, not very good. And for some, not good at all.

Ron Prince's '68 shows up on DRC in 1998. So, I don't know when he started racing it.

8/22/98 - BIR Northstar Nats - #32 - .856 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

10/3/98 - Topeka - #26 - .760 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=43990

6/24/99 - Sears Nats - #29 - .831 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=51592

8/20/99 - BIR - #20 - .885 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

8/17/01 - BIR - #44 - .685 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

9/8/02 - div 5-6 - #68 - .697 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

9/6/03 - div 5-6 - #85 - .585 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

He's listed driving a '69, in '04. Maybe it was just a typo on DRC, & he was really driving the '68 Bird at these races. Obviously, I don't know.

6/5/04 - div 5-2 - #54 - .536 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

8/13/04 - Lucas Oil Nats - #53 - .825 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

9/11/04 - div 5-6 - #73 - .789 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

He lived in MN, so he mostly raced the div 5 races & the national event at BIR.

https://www.brainerdraceway.com/facilities/drag-strip/

In '05 he was running real low 11's, in E/SA. Back then, the index was only 12.00. So, an 11.10 would give you a fairly good qualifying number, of .900 under the index. Here's a couple in the 11.10-11.12 range, in '05.

9/10/05 - Earlville - #36 .894 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

8/12/05 - BIR - #27 - .877 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

6/3/06 - div 5-2 - #28 - .815 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=115422

5/26/07 - div 5-2 - #30 - .847 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=136082

5/24/08 - div 5-2 - #30 - .796 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=158901

5/23/09 - div 5-2 - #41 - 11.85 index - .777 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=181830

8/14/09 - Lucas Oil Nats - #55 - .657 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=188968

8/13/10 - Lucas Oil Nats - #39 - .469 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=212066

The first 10 sec ET's I found for his '68 Bird were in 2011. They were 10.80's, in D/SA, which had an index of 11.55.

5/28/11 - BIR - #14 - .719 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

8/19/11 - BIR Lucas Oil Nats - #22 - .679 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

Don't know what the car's best ET is. This 10.807 is the best I've found.

6/4/16 - div 3-3 - #33 - 10.807 - .743 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=313092

8/13/16 - div 5-5 - #42 - 10.883 - .667 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=316804

8/19/16 - Lucas Oil Nats - #32 - 10.831 - .719 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=317027

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

8/18/17 - Lucas Oil Nats - #44 - 10.914 - .636 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=329696

In 2018, he qualified with a 10.90, survived 6 rounds of elims, at a div 5 race, but got treed in the final & had to settle for R/U.

8/12/18 - BIR - #38 - 10.906 - .644 under - R/U.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop

Ran a 10.98 at last year's BIR nat event.

8/15/19 - Lucas Oil Nats - #46 - .566 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

He ran 4 div 5 Lucas Oil Series races last year, including the doubleheader at Topeka, & this one at Earlville.

9/7/19 - Earlville - #87 - 10.896 - .654 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=356180

So, he's been racing it a long time, & has made lots of 10 sec runs. By no means the quickest '68 Stock class Bird, ever, but probably in the top 10. I don't have an accurate count. But, I assume there have been less than 10 Stock class '68 Birds, which have been able to run in the 10 sec zone. I only have 7 listed in my Stocker pics files. Hey, if ya'll know of others, please post that info.

(1) Leo Glasbrenner
(2) Bob Aceves
(3) Adam Strang
(4) Chris Stephenson
(5) Tim Gillespie/Julie Biermann
(6) Todd/Duane Hoven
(7) Ron Prince
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Old 08-28-2020, 01:01 AM   #593
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Saw this today. Don't remember ever reading it before, tho I may have.

"...Sadly Chuck White passed away in 1976. Ken & Art both gave up racing at that time but Bill Kissinger continued racing this T-37 until 1979. Bill then raced a RA IV powered '70 Trans Am until the mid 80's..."

This was in an article about a Pontiac that the White bros raced.

http://www.tarheeltigers.org/1971-t-...%20Brothers%20

So, does anybody here know Bill Kissinger or anything about the the "...RA IV powered '70 Trans Am..." that he raced ?

Prior to this, the only '70 RAIV Bird Stocker I'd ever heard of was the one Scott Burton built.

Would love to have pics & info for this Bill Kissinger '70 RAIV T/A.

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Old 08-29-2020, 04:27 AM   #594
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At the Beech Bend div 3 race, 2 of the 10 sec Bird Stockers qualified #17 & #18. They were driven by Chris Stephenson & Julie Biermann.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

Need to ask a question here. On that list, #72 is Travis Buth, listed driving a '70 GTO. The only '70 GTO Stocker I know of has been driven mostly by Todd Kuhn & Allen Hollingsworth. So, is this the same car ? And, who actually owns this car ?

Just trying to get all the facts straight.
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Old 08-31-2020, 05:42 PM   #595
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Just discovered this. Don't think it's been included in this thread. But, if so, once again I'll stand corrected.

I thought the only '74 GTO Stocker in div 5 was the one that Brad Koivisto drives. But, this Q-list from last year's Lucas Oil Nats also shows a '74 GTO which is driven by Denny Nelson. Brad's '74 GTO is on the same list & the 2 cars are running different classes.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

What triggered me searching for this was that while searching a Pontiac forum for something else, I ran across this link to a Class Racer thread, which mentions several '74 GTO's.

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...t=46501&page=4

The original owner of the car Denny Nelson has, said he bought the car new, raced it 'til '92, then sold it to Larry Maxwell. It was the car I covered named "Git-Go".

I thought the thread was very interesting, since it mentioned several '74 GTO's.

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...IX1JjU-&GI_ID=

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...IX1JjU-&GI_ID=

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Since it's US Nats time again, there are some Pontiac names that come to my mind, from the early days. Some are: Jim Wangers, Lloyd & Carol Cox, Mickey Thompson, Don Gay, Mary Ann Foss, Truman Fields, Al Vanis, Rock Running, Roy & Mike McKinney, the White bros, John Clegg, & Mick Leiferman, among others.

https://www.sema.org/sema-news/2010/...liminator-1960
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Posted a pic of this Weidner Pontiac '68 Ram Air II Bird.

While searching for something else, I just ran across this statement. If I've already posted it, just forgive & move on.

"...Special ordered by Weidner Pontiac in Mansfield, Ohio and campaigned by the dealership owner’s son, Pete Weidner Jr. in NHRA’s B/Stock Automatic class during the 1968 drag racing season. It was raced for only one season..."

I've noticed that since they moved these Pontiac threads to the Nostalgia section, I get very few answers to any questions. For most questions, it's total crickets.

It's like very few guys ever even look in this section. Maybe the powers that be got tired of seeing these Pontiac threads keep popping back to the top, in the Stock/SS section.

Oh well, I enjoyed lookin up all the info & learned a LOT I didn't know, from guys who actually saw these old Pontiacs race, & from some who actually raced 'em.

So, to all who have contributed to these Pontiac threads, THANKS ! I really appreciate it !
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The Biondo '77-'78 Firebird Stocker has been around for quite a few years now. I know for sure that Peter & Sal both drove it some. Don't have a clue how many different drivers the car has had.

But, this past weekend, Dylan Biondo was the driver. He had a pretty good weekend. He was R/U in the 2nd chance race, & on Sunday, he won the bounty for eliminating Saturday's race winner.

Maybe Dylan will be the next Biondo driving star.

Also noticed that "Hatari!" is on the Bird. So, I assume that Phil Monteith had a hand with the engine in the car.
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