Best Pontiac Powered Stockers - Page 25

oldskool · 01-11-2020, 01:56 AM

2015 After May.

At Bristol there was a unique situation. Michael Brand won his G/SA class, then made it to the final, which got rained out. Randi Lyn made it to the semi.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

At the Woodburn div 6 race, Leo was #5 & Lindy was #7.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

Brad won the race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

At the Mile High Nats, Scott was #9 & got RU.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

At this div 3 race, Tommy Pettigrew was #9, and won the race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

At the Northwest Nats, Bill Edgeworth was #5.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

At Brainerd, Randi Lyn was #13, won her C/SA class, & won her 3rd nat event Wally !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

At this Beach Bend div 3 race, Tommy Pettigrew was #5 @ - 1.027. Quite a few Pontiacs in this one.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

Adam Davis won the race, in his '73 455 powered Formy.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

At the 5th div 7 race, Brad was #5, and won the race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

At the Fall Vegas race, Lindy was #15, but Scott won his 3rd nat event Wally. !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

At the Pomona Finals, Lindy was #9 @ - 1.014.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

Leo won his 5th nat event Wally !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

Pontiac Stockers did quite well, during the last half of the 2015 season !

oldskool · 01-11-2020, 08:23 PM

Before lookin at the 2016 season, I wanna go back & look at some of the oldies. There has already been mention of, & pics of Pontiacs from the '50's. So, I wanna look 1st at 1960 models.

Jim Wangers is a famous name in Pontiac performance history, as is Royal Pontiac. Well, for 1960, Jim had Royal prepare a couple of 389SD Pontiacs for strip duty. There was a red 4-speed car, which Jim drove, plus an auto car, which somebody else drove, if I understand it correctly.

Most of ya'll know that the US Nats were held at several different tracks, before landing at Indy. And, they were just called the Nationals. In 1960, the Nats were in Detroit. Jim, driving the red car, won his his class & the eliminator title. The white car made the final, but was beat by a Mopar.

https://www.oldcarsweekly.com/car-of...catalina-racer

The Super Stock class, as we know it, was not yet established. Some of these Pontiacs were equipped with factory over the counter parts, that were not available as original equipment. They were simple bolt on parts, as I understand it. So, I don't know if they were considered "Stockers", in 1960, or not. Don't know if they ran a separate class, or as a class within the Stock Elim. But, they were certainly not the roller cam, aftermarket intake, aftermarket block, aftermarket head SS engines of today.

And Jim was awarded the title of "Mr. Stock Eliminator", at the '60 Nats.

https://www.sema.org/sema-news/2010/...liminator-1960

The pic I'm posting is quite famous in Pontiac circles. It pops up quickly on a Google search.

oldskool · 01-11-2020, 09:07 PM

The deal with the factory parts upgrade is explained in more detail in this part of an Arnie Beswick bio article.

"... the 1960 Ventura was his first "specialty built"
Pontiac. It was factory rated at 348 HP, however optionally included in the package was
a set of heads and camshaft that raised the horsepower to 363. These parts were covertly
shipped in the trunk of the car. It also came with what is believed to be the first factory
installed 4 speed transmission in a Pontiac. Arnie, shortly after getting the car, drove to
Daytona Beach, Florida for the NHRA/NASCAR Winternationals. The best in the land
were here, so competition would be fierce. The window sticker was purposely left on the
car to prove that it was not modified. The car was still protested, even by other prominent
Pontiac racers. Additional build sheet confirmation had to be sent from Pontiac before he
could receive the overall S/S award for the weeklong competition.

By 1961, he was racing a new Pontiac that was absolutely unbeatable. He started out the
year by traveling to Daytona Beach for the weeklong competition for the second time.
He again won his class as well as going on to win the overall S/S eliminator title. In what
was later another high point of the year, he successfully raced one of the most highly
publicized Pontiac teams in the country. This was the Royal Pontiac crew from the
famous factory supported dealer in Royal Oak, Michigan. It was a best of five match race.
In spite of being an independent with no sponsorship, Arnie defeated the highly favored
Royal team three straight times. He ended up the season going to Indianapolis for the
NHRA nationals. He won in the S/S class, beating out everyone including Mickey
Thompson, who was driving his personal SD421 Catalina. He complied too quickly to the
automatic teardown of all class winners, and was disqualified for being a mere thousandth
overbore on one cylinder as the engine hadn't cooled sufficiently yet..."

oldskool · 01-11-2020, 09:17 PM

I suppose one of the winningest Pontiac Stockers of this time period may have been the Don Gay A/S 421 car. I've already posted about it. But, there were LOTS of early '60's Pontiac Stockers.

Don't have a clue as to how long some of these cars may have continued to compete.

The only '60's big Pontiacs I remember competing in the '70's were wagons.

I suppose the A & F-bodies took over all the classes the big cars could run, so the big cars just couldn't compete.

gsa612 · 01-11-2020, 09:34 PM

Off topic this 68 GTO (lot # 1440) is up for sale next week at BJ.Should go for a good buck!...gsa612

oldskool · 01-11-2020, 11:56 PM

Here's a couple of early '60's Stocker wagons. One of 'em is a record holder. Looks like they ran it in both H/SA & I/SA.

The other one appears to have either O/SA or Q/SA on it.

Ya'll know of any other full size Pontiac wagons from the '60's that ran Stock ?

Bruce Fulper · 01-12-2020, 12:08 AM

And let's give simple credit where credit is due. While we're doing mostly a trip down memory lane, in 2004 who had THE quickest Super Stock pure Pontiac in the country? And who developed the most powerful pure Pontiac Super Stock V-8 combination in history, still to this day, Me.

To all of the current quickest S/S Pontiac's in the land, you're welcome.

HP HUNTER · 01-12-2020, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Fulper

And let's give simple credit where credit is due. While we're doing mostly a trip down memory lane, in 2004 who had THE quickest Super Stock pure Pontiac in the country? And who developed the most powerful pure Pontiac Super Stock V-8 combination in history, still to this day, Me.

To all of the current quickest S/S Pontiac's in the land, you're welcome.

I don't remember that.....I do remember you telling Jarrett Faggart he was over his head on that 389 build, not so much.

oldskool · 01-12-2020, 01:39 AM

OK, we'll return to modern times now, with 2016.

At Pomona, there were 5 Pontiacs in the top 16.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

At the Carquest Nats, Leo was #3 @ - 1.141.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Randi Lyn won another Nat, beating Leo in the semis !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

At the 1st div 7 race, Brad, Leo, Scott & Lindy were numbers 7 thru 10.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

At the 3rd div 2 race, Adam Davis was #3, & won the race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

At the Spring Vegas race, Lindy was #4.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Had 3 Pontiac class winners.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

It was an All-Pontiac final !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Adam Davis also won the 4th div 2 race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Michael Brand got RU at the 4-Wide Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

At the div 6 race, in Idaho, Brad beat Scott in the semi, but had to settle for RU.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

At the Sports Nats, Lindsey Cramsey won G/SA, with Michael Brands '73 455 Formy. Also, several Pontiacs got class RU, including Scott Burton, who turned a 10.161.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

That gets us thru May. Pontiacs had a pretty good 1st half !

oldskool · 01-12-2020, 04:06 PM

2016 beginning in June.

Scott Burton got RU in this Stock/SS combo race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Scott won the Thunder on the Plains div 5 race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Ryan Warter was #1 @ - 1.066, at the div 6 race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Brad Burton won the all Pontiac final against Ryan !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Adam Davis got RU at the Thunder Valley Nats. Randi Lyn made semi. Michael Brand & Tommy Pettigrew made qtr final.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Norman Warling got RU at the Mile High Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Julie Biermann won this div 3 race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Leo got RU at the Sonoma Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

At the Northwest Nats, Brad won another all Pontiac final against Ryan.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Brad got RU at this div 6 race. Don Elgin made semi.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Had 3 Class winners at the Toyota Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Another pretty good year for Pontiac Stockers.

01-11-2020, 01:56 AM	#241
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers 2015 After May. At Bristol there was a unique situation. Michael Brand won his G/SA class, then made it to the final, which got rained out. Randi Lyn made it to the semi. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the Woodburn div 6 race, Leo was #5 & Lindy was #7. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop Brad won the race ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the Mile High Nats, Scott was #9 & got RU. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At this div 3 race, Tommy Pettigrew was #9, and won the race ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the Northwest Nats, Bill Edgeworth was #5. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At Brainerd, Randi Lyn was #13, won her C/SA class, & won her 3rd nat event Wally ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At this Beach Bend div 3 race, Tommy Pettigrew was #5 @ - 1.027. Quite a few Pontiacs in this one. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop Adam Davis won the race, in his '73 455 powered Formy. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the 5th div 7 race, Brad was #5, and won the race ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the Fall Vegas race, Lindy was #15, but Scott won his 3rd nat event Wally. ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop At the Pomona Finals, Lindy was #9 @ - 1.014. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop Leo won his 5th nat event Wally ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop Pontiac Stockers did quite well, during the last half of the 2015 season ! Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-11-2020 at 02:02 AM.

01-11-2020, 08:23 PM	#242
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Before lookin at the 2016 season, I wanna go back & look at some of the oldies. There has already been mention of, & pics of Pontiacs from the '50's. So, I wanna look 1st at 1960 models. Jim Wangers is a famous name in Pontiac performance history, as is Royal Pontiac. Well, for 1960, Jim had Royal prepare a couple of 389SD Pontiacs for strip duty. There was a red 4-speed car, which Jim drove, plus an auto car, which somebody else drove, if I understand it correctly. Most of ya'll know that the US Nats were held at several different tracks, before landing at Indy. And, they were just called the Nationals. In 1960, the Nats were in Detroit. Jim, driving the red car, won his his class & the eliminator title. The white car made the final, but was beat by a Mopar. https://www.oldcarsweekly.com/car-of...catalina-racer The Super Stock class, as we know it, was not yet established. Some of these Pontiacs were equipped with factory over the counter parts, that were not available as original equipment. They were simple bolt on parts, as I understand it. So, I don't know if they were considered "Stockers", in 1960, or not. Don't know if they ran a separate class, or as a class within the Stock Elim. But, they were certainly not the roller cam, aftermarket intake, aftermarket block, aftermarket head SS engines of today. And Jim was awarded the title of "Mr. Stock Eliminator", at the '60 Nats. https://www.sema.org/sema-news/2010/...liminator-1960 The pic I'm posting is quite famous in Pontiac circles. It pops up quickly on a Google search. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-11-2020 at 09:49 PM.

01-11-2020, 09:07 PM	#243
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers The deal with the factory parts upgrade is explained in more detail in this part of an Arnie Beswick bio article. "... the 1960 Ventura was his first "specialty built" Pontiac. It was factory rated at 348 HP, however optionally included in the package was a set of heads and camshaft that raised the horsepower to 363. These parts were covertly shipped in the trunk of the car. It also came with what is believed to be the first factory installed 4 speed transmission in a Pontiac. Arnie, shortly after getting the car, drove to Daytona Beach, Florida for the NHRA/NASCAR Winternationals. The best in the land were here, so competition would be fierce. The window sticker was purposely left on the car to prove that it was not modified. The car was still protested, even by other prominent Pontiac racers. Additional build sheet confirmation had to be sent from Pontiac before he could receive the overall S/S award for the weeklong competition. By 1961, he was racing a new Pontiac that was absolutely unbeatable. He started out the year by traveling to Daytona Beach for the weeklong competition for the second time. He again won his class as well as going on to win the overall S/S eliminator title. In what was later another high point of the year, he successfully raced one of the most highly publicized Pontiac teams in the country. This was the Royal Pontiac crew from the famous factory supported dealer in Royal Oak, Michigan. It was a best of five match race. In spite of being an independent with no sponsorship, Arnie defeated the highly favored Royal team three straight times. He ended up the season going to Indianapolis for the NHRA nationals. He won in the S/S class, beating out everyone including Mickey Thompson, who was driving his personal SD421 Catalina. He complied too quickly to the automatic teardown of all class winners, and was disqualified for being a mere thousandth overbore on one cylinder as the engine hadn't cooled sufficiently yet..." Attached Thumbnails

01-11-2020, 09:17 PM	#244
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers I suppose one of the winningest Pontiac Stockers of this time period may have been the Don Gay A/S 421 car. I've already posted about it. But, there were LOTS of early '60's Pontiac Stockers. Don't have a clue as to how long some of these cars may have continued to compete. The only '60's big Pontiacs I remember competing in the '70's were wagons. I suppose the A & F-bodies took over all the classes the big cars could run, so the big cars just couldn't compete. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-12-2020 at 12:05 AM.

01-11-2020, 09:34 PM	#245
gsa612 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: 100th Meridian Posts: 570 Likes: 116 Liked 280 Times in 139 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Off topic this 68 GTO (lot # 1440) is up for sale next week at BJ.Should go for a good buck!...gsa612 Attached Thumbnails

01-11-2020, 11:56 PM	#246
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Here's a couple of early '60's Stocker wagons. One of 'em is a record holder. Looks like they ran it in both H/SA & I/SA. The other one appears to have either O/SA or Q/SA on it. Ya'll know of any other full size Pontiac wagons from the '60's that ran Stock ? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-11-2020 at 11:59 PM.

01-12-2020, 12:08 AM	#247
Bruce Fulper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 651 Likes: 4 Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers And let's give simple credit where credit is due. While we're doing mostly a trip down memory lane, in 2004 who had THE quickest Super Stock pure Pontiac in the country? And who developed the most powerful pure Pontiac Super Stock V-8 combination in history, still to this day, Me. To all of the current quickest S/S Pontiac's in the land, you're welcome.

01-12-2020, 01:39 AM	#249
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers OK, we'll return to modern times now, with 2016. At Pomona, there were 5 Pontiacs in the top 16. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the Carquest Nats, Leo was #3 @ - 1.141. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Randi Lyn won another Nat, beating Leo in the semis ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the 1st div 7 race, Brad, Leo, Scott & Lindy were numbers 7 thru 10. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the 3rd div 2 race, Adam Davis was #3, & won the race ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the Spring Vegas race, Lindy was #4. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Had 3 Pontiac class winners. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop It was an All-Pontiac final ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Adam Davis also won the 4th div 2 race ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Michael Brand got RU at the 4-Wide Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the div 6 race, in Idaho, Brad beat Scott in the semi, but had to settle for RU. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the Sports Nats, Lindsey Cramsey won G/SA, with Michael Brands '73 455 Formy. Also, several Pontiacs got class RU, including Scott Burton, who turned a 10.161. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop That gets us thru May. Pontiacs had a pretty good 1st half ! Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-12-2020 at 01:55 AM.

01-12-2020, 04:06 PM	#250
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers 2016 beginning in June. Scott Burton got RU in this Stock/SS combo race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Scott won the Thunder on the Plains div 5 race ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Ryan Warter was #1 @ - 1.066, at the div 6 race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Brad Burton won the all Pontiac final against Ryan ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Adam Davis got RU at the Thunder Valley Nats. Randi Lyn made semi. Michael Brand & Tommy Pettigrew made qtr final. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Norman Warling got RU at the Mile High Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Julie Biermann won this div 3 race ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Leo got RU at the Sonoma Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop At the Northwest Nats, Brad won another all Pontiac final against Ryan. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Brad got RU at this div 6 race. Don Elgin made semi. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Had 3 Class winners at the Toyota Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Another pretty good year for Pontiac Stockers. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-12-2020 at 10:27 PM.