Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

OK, re the Ben Wolfe car - can you both give me your ‘best guess’..and why ( meets class, correct year etc) .......I kinda got lost in the discussion -

if pontiac, was bird, imo

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

OK, re the Ben Wolfe car - can you both give me your ‘best guess’..and why ( meets class, correct year etc) .......I kinda got lost in the discussion -

I thought of a RA4 factored up past its 380hp factoring circa 1970 but that doesnt work because other cars show the RA4 was factored at 380hp since it hit the strip in early 1969.

So the only possible Pontiac that fits is a 68 Bird RA2, factored to 390hp.
I have no basis for that factor other than it makes the car fit.
3300/390=8.46
Any factor less than 390hp will knock the car down into C/SA=8.50 class.

Why would the RA2 be factored to 390hp when the RA4 was only factored at 380hp? Hard to explain.

So if we have to guess a Pontiac, its either a 68 Bird RA2 factored at 390hp or maybe a RA5? LOL but we're getting desperate here.

Or it was a 67 Comet 427/410 and somebody thought it was a Pontiac?

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

I thought of a RA4 factored up past its 380hp factoring circa 1970 but that doesnt work because other cars show the RA4 was factored at 380hp since it hit the strip in early 1969.

So the only possible Pontiac that fits is a 68 Bird RA2, factored to 390hp.
I have no basis for that factor other than it makes the car fit.
3300/390=8.46
Any factor less than 390hp will knock the car down into C/SA=8.50 class.

Why would the RA2 be factored to 390hp when the RA4 was only factored at 380hp? Hard to explain.

So if we have to guess a Pontiac, its either a 68 Bird RA2 factored at 390hp or maybe a RA5? LOL but we're getting desperate here.

Or it was a 67 Comet 427/410 and somebody thought it was a Pontiac?

Lets say that was the case. Would someone really build a car for that class @ 8.46? I don't think so. IMO that looks like someone built a car for the 8.50 class and ran really good and got HP that moved them up a class.

Stan


PS the RAV was a small displacement engine for Trans AM like the Z28. I don't think enough were built for it to be NHRA legal.

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Lets say that was the case. Would someone really build a car for that class @ 8.46? I don't think so. IMO that looks like someone built a car for the 8.50 class and ran really good and got HP that moved them up a class.

Stan


PS the RAV was a small displacement engine for Trans AM like the Z28. I don't think enough were built for it to be NHRA legal.

Agreed on both counts.
The RA2 did run good though so I couldnt rule that out - an over-factored RA2 that ran good even bumped up to B/SA=8.00.

In 1971, Fields' RA2 Bird set the D/S=8.50 record at
11.78 at 119.52
That was a stick car but even make it .2 and 2mph slower for an auto, it's still a winnable combo even up in B/SA=8.00 class of 1969.

That's just the only PONTIAC that even might fit.
If not, then I'm with oldskool, probably not a Pontiac at all.

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

I thought of a RA4 factored up past its 380hp factoring circa 1970 but that doesnt work because other cars show the RA4 was factored at 380hp since it hit the strip in early 1969.

So the only possible Pontiac that fits is a 68 Bird RA2, factored to 390hp.
I have no basis for that factor other than it makes the car fit.
3300/390=8.46
Any factor less than 390hp will knock the car down into C/SA=8.50 class.

Why would the RA2 be factored to 390hp when the RA4 was only factored at 380hp? Hard to explain.

IF all the info you have from back during that time period is correct, then:

(1) What year could the '68 Bird I posted a pic of have run B/SA ?

(2) What year could the '69 "Hatari" Bird have run B/SA ?

Both obviously DID run B/SA, at least 1 year, at least at 1 track, under some sanctioning body.

When ?

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

IF all the info you have from back during that time period is correct, then:

(1) What year could the '68 Bird I posted a pic of have run B/SA ?

(2) What year could the '69 "Hatari" Bird have run B/SA ?

Both obviously DID run B/SA, at least 1 year, at least at 1 track, under some sanctioning body.

When ?

B/SA=
8.50 in 1968
8.00 in 1969
7.50 in 1970-71
???? 1972
8.50 in 1973-up
So I'd guess those pictures were either 1968 or 1973-up.

But again, I dont KNOW the RA2 "factor" - I had guessed about 375hp prior to this strange Ben Wolf car. That 375hp fits all the other RA2 cars, Fields etc, that I can find. But 375hp wont put Ben Wolf in B/SA=8.00.

I'm with you, starting to think the Ben Wolf car just wasnt a Pontiac.
An L72 Chevelle300 fits (easily mistaken for a GTO LOL) or an L72 Nova is a perfect fit (easily mistaken for a Firebird LOL).
We just dont know WHAT the Ben Wolf B/SA=8.00 car is.

[Rat Patrol]

OK gentlemen, thank you for your efforts- I mark it as ‘Firebird ?’ and leave it at that. Its starting to haunt me! 😆

[Rat Patrol]

DC - Ive started a fire I need to put out on FB.

Re your 69 Stick results sheet. - It seems the SS/E class for L72 Camaros is just out of whack....when 396 Novas ran in SS/D.

So it raises some questions....

Was the SS/C 69 Camaro of Jenkins actually a 396/375.....or even an L72 - The ZL1suggestion has everyone in a froth! 😆

Further - if Olster ran an L72, what class would it have fit?

[oldskool]

"...B/SA=
8.50 in 1968
8.00 in 1969..."

That solves the '68 B/SA pic, for me. Dealers usually ran the cars while they were still the current model year.

According to my math, using an online calculator, a factor of at least 391hp would have been needed to put a '69 Bird into class B. S0, anything from 391 thru 414 would put it into B. 415 would put it into A, & 390 would put it into C, IF my calculations are correct.

So, could it have possibly been 395, 400, 405, or 410, in '69, maybe ?

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

DC - Ive started a fire I need to put out on FB.

Re your 69 Stick results sheet. - It seems the SS/E class for L72 Camaros is just out of whack....when 396 Novas ran in SS/D.

So it raises some questions....

Was the SS/C 69 Camaro of Jenkins actually a 396/375.....or even an L72 - The ZL1suggestion has everyone in a froth! 😆

Further - if Olster ran an L72, what class would it have fit?

OK I will try to get a new account there even though Zuck's customer service is non existent.

Is there a Facebook group where all this excitement is happening?