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Old 12-28-2022, 06:44 AM   #21
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I found this..Grotheer...67...but no scoop.

I have no idea where this fits
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I found this..Grotheer...67...but no scoop.

I have no idea where this fits
Was there supposed to be a photo?

I am pretty familiar with that car as I crewed for the second owner and knew Don and the car before that. It always had a scoop as far as I know.
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Old 12-28-2022, 11:53 PM   #23
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I know it says SS/B....would this have been the 67 Winter Nationals car ?

I read that the 66 drivetrain was swapped into it?
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Old 12-29-2022, 10:05 AM   #24
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Steve, do you use Facebook at all? I’ve compiled a couple of lists over time, of the A864 and A990 cars, original drivers and owners.

Have you seen them?
Never seen them. I have been doing my own using the dealer code info from Darrell's books. Trying to match cars to areas. Some of the engineering cars throw you for a loop...but when you match vins and etc, you can put some of that together. I know of an engineering R051 car that is still owned by the original owner.

Some of that stuff that was published by others on Facebook a few years back was bogus. When one dealer tells me they received two '64 A864 Dodges, and has paper and photo documentation showing you such, but neither car was included on the published "lists", for example. (EDIT: I should add that I offered to share info without success. This person was convinced that they could find original owners just by searching results from 1964.) A lot of these cars traded hands quick due to lack of experience with the Hemi in 1964 and 1965. Some racers were very frustrated when they couldn't get their Hemi car to run better than the Wedge they just abandoned. I don't think anyone will ever be able to put an exact list together, but there is enough info to get pretty close.

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I know it says SS/B....would this have been the 67 Winter Nationals car ?

I read that the 66 drivetrain was swapped into it?
That photo is pretty washed out across the top. It may or may not have a scoop on it. It was definitely a converted 6-cyl car. I haven't spoken to Don on that exactly, but have heard it from a couple sources that are close to him to say it is truth.

The '67 cars were really a horrible after thought. There were plans in '66 to do another A990 type package, but that never followed through. At the same time though, a lot of racers liked the '67 cars because they were more "complete" and didn't require a bunch of extra work...like the '68 cars did.

You know what's really interesting about '67 Package cars? How many original paint survivors there still are in existence. I can think of four Dodges and one Plymouth right off the top of my head. I still have a fair amount of cars unaccounted for though.

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Steve - you may find these lists useful/interesting/hopelessly incorrect! 😆

64 Race Hemi A864 - Car , Driver, Team

Hoeferts Hurricane - Claude Bradshaw Sr - Hoefert Dodge, Alton Ill
Eddie Smith - West Virginia -
Snorkasaurus IV - Blue Barnes
Bob Cain - Fred F Cain Plymouth
Melrose Missile VI - Tommy Grove - Melrose Plymouth
Hemi Honker - Bud Faubel - Shively Motors (Sedan & Hardtop) ( Hardtop converted from Max wedge)
Golden Commando 5 & 6- Forest Pitcock - Hamilton Motors (Sedan & Hardtop) (Hardtop converted from Max Wedge)
Candymatic - Jim Thornton - Ramchargers - Hodges Dodges
Candymatic Too - Mike Buckel - Ramchargers - Hodges Dodges
‘Our Bear’? - Dave Strickler - Dodge Boys (Sedan & Hardtop) - Ill.
Larry Lawrence - The Dodge Boys, Portland Oregon
Yankee Peddler - Wild Bill Flynn - County Dodge (Hardtop)
Color Me Gone - Roger Lindamood
Hustler - Pat Minick - Grand Spaulding Dodge
Hemi-Charger - Dick Landy - Automotive Research
Mayflower V - Hank Taylor - (Hank Taylor in his 1964 Plymouth S/SA 'Mayflower V' was the first S/SA to go under 11.50. He did it at Phenix City, Alabama in August 1964. He re-set the S/SA National Record.)
Paul Rossi- Westborn Chrysler Raiders
Dick Lohr - Hine Motors
The Hemi-Roid - Gene Snow - Melton & Snow Autos
Mr Plymouth 426 - Robert Nance
Lawman - Al Ekstrand
777 - Jakes Speed Equipment
The Butcher - Jim Ford (Hardtop)
Ramrunner Too - Miller/Kruger Illinois
Lee Smith - Nate Learners Chrysler (Sedan & Hardtop)
The Warsaw Rebel (Hardtop) - (Some question over this car)
Joe Smith - Fenner Tubbs (Hardtop)
Born Wild
Its a Hemi - Tom Strunk & Hayden Proffit - Yeakel Plymouth Center (Sedan & Hardtop)
Big Red - Dave Lewis
Missouri Mule- Doc Spence - Site Bros
Bill Barton - Burgoise & Wade
Maverick - Bill ‘Maverick’ Golden - Orange County Dodge
Earl Wade - Speed Enterprises
Jim Rodgers - Town & Country Chrysler Plymouth
Flying Carpet - Bob Harrop - Harrop Crescent Dodge
Suspect
Hemi-Munster
Flying Dutchman - Al Vandervoude - Culver City Plymouth
Tax Dodge - Joe ?
Billy West - The Little Pilgrim - Yates Motor Company NC
The Iron Butterfly - Ted Spehar
Grey Ghost - Jim Hale - Jim’s Speedshop
Quarterbender - Bill Rieck - Lompoc Performance Center
Suddenly II - The Dodge Boys - Larry ? /Melvyn ?/ Tex ?
Hurricane - Herb Freels - Francis & Parsons
Satellite - Harold Laplatte - Ferriero Motor Sales
Mr Black - Ron Powers - Powers Automotive
Determination - Jim Clark
Big Money Dodge (ex Ramchargers car)
Rebel - Penn- Can Motors
Roadrunner -
Tickles me pink -
Jayhawker - Jon Thorne
Goldfinger Hawaiian Style
11th Commandment II - Joe Bambace
Jerry Maycock - Mckay/Swift Dodge
Gary Ostrich - Chuck Ostrich Inc. - (Hardtop)
Hemi-Head Plymouth - Bill Dill - Minnesota (Hardtop)
Tim Hennessey/Bill Drakes (Hardtop)
Lynn Ferguson - Lundy Motors, StJohns Michigan (Hardtop)
Al’s Auto Sales (Hardtop)
Hair bender - Dick Hansen/Gordon Stewart - Sioux Falls
McCullach-Ricci Chrysler Plymouth - Detroit
Hahn Motor Company
Mr Motech- John Tedder - Michigan
Jay Miner - New York
King of the Goats - ‘Big Deal’ Jacobs - Alabama
Teachers Pet - Jerry Stein
Don Owens - Pink Panther
Jersey Duke 2- Jack Werst - Duke Motors
Rumblebee - Assay -Bruno Motors, NJ (Later Wild Man)
Pandemonium - Jim O’Connor
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65 A990 Race Hemis - Car, Driver, Team

65 A990s

*Black Arrow - Bill Jenkins- Doc Burgess
* Dodge Power - Gene Takash
* Quicksilver - Len Silvers
* Woody Walcher - Perkins Motors,
* Thunder 11 - Dons Texaco, Don Townsend, Jim Almeter, Neil Marzolf - , Attica, New York - Later raced as 1/4 Mile Hustler - Jerry Vanek , then back to Thunder II raced by Hap Gooder
* Vigilante - Don F. Peluso, Pleasure Ridge, NY
* HURST Tornado IV - Larry Griffith, Geneseo, Ill.
* Porters Ride - Bob Porter - Richard Porter, Mansfield, Ohio
* Thunder II - Jim Almeter, Neil Marzolf and Don Townsend
* Mr Quick - Nick Knezevich - K&K Racing Team, Columbus Ohio
* The Professor - Bill Shirey
* The Defender - Gary Ostrich - Chuck Ostrich Motors
* Hurri-Cain - Bob Cain - Fred F. Cain, Inc., Wilmington, MA
* Satisfaction - Lyn Balek / Tom Crutchfield then Down and Crutchfield
* The Virginia Twister — Ben Woody/Kenny Warren
* West Virginia Hemi-Charger — Frank Boggess
* Grand Spaulding Dodge — Gary Dyer
* Grand Spaulding Dodge — Bob Lawliss
* Grand Spaulding Dodge — Joey Muscarne
* Hemi-Thrasher — Bob Repine
* Ramsmoke — Bill Nugent
* Argyle Canadian Highlander - John Petrie -
* Bounty Hunters — Tom Sneden
* Dodge Boys - Dave Strickler
* Challenger — Dick Hankinson
* Cy Green Dodge — Dick Green
* Kon Tiki - Rich Brown
* Tension — Shirl Greer
* Mighty Quick - Nick Knezivich - K&K Racing
* Hemi-A-Go-Go — Ken Holwick
* Go Hummer — Mary Ann Foss - Also raced as Dependable - Wes Koogle - Mansfield OH.
* Pandemonium — Frank Pelligrino
* Yankee Peddler — Bill Flynn
* Southside Dodge*
* Mr. Tomato — Robert Linquist
* Hemi Honker - Bud Faubel (Chambersburg PA)
* Flying Carpet - Bob Harrop - (Camden NJ) Probably two cars, one AWB, one ran S/SA at Indy in 1965
* Hall & Heath - David Heath -(Owensboro KY)
* Sam Kennedy - (Thomasville NC)
* Landy’s Dodge - Dick Landy - (Sherman Oaks CA)
* That White Dodge - George Matheson -(Raebush Heights MI) AFX w/ original wheelbase
* Ram Rod II - Hank McAleenan- - (St Petersburg FL)
* Bob Schroeder - Hollywood Dodge
* Dick Smith - Town & Country Dodge(Detroit MI)
* Hay Hauler - Jack Thomas - Chicagoland Dodge Boys (LaGrange IL)
* O.B. Hewett - Melvin Yow - (Fayetteville NC)
* The Bloodhound - Bob Ramstrom - Yates Dodge (Later GENE - Gene O’Niel)
* Hemi Express - Jim Clark
* Mrs Bee’s Hemi - Jim Thornton
* Tenessee Thunder - Jonathon Livingstone
* 5 & 50 - Jack Werst
* Mad Moose - William Andress, c/o Serbay Motor Sales, Ypsilanti, MI
* Ringo - Bob Fulp
* Big Red 11 - Lewis and Higgins
* Outlaw - Charles Doyle, Tuckerman, AR
* Pete Dorsey - Dorsey Metcalfe Racing
* Lawrence Apodaca, Hayword, Ca.
* Hemi Holeshot - Chuck Poole.
* El Toro - Etherd Halsey
* Goldfinger - Buzzy Schrello - Hi Level Chrysler-Ply, Homestead, Pa.
* Wayne Seymour, Casper, Wyoming
* Mayflower IV - Hank Taylor
* Robert Rosalie - NY
* The Big Wheel - Albert Fontanini, Glenview, IL
* Moonshot - Candies and Hughes
* Sonny Brooks, c/o Densham Springs Motors, Baton Rouge,
* Hemi-Powered Plymouth - Derwood Reep - Joe Ralph Thompson - Jefferson Motors, AR
* Vermont Shaker - John Casey
* Pilgrims Progress - Pete Kost - Ray Chaffe
* Hemi Countdown - Harry Holton
* Kentuckian - Harry Samuels
* Greg McAndrew - George McAndrew - Kolsar Motors, Westfield Pa,
* Bob Ranstrom - Yates Dodge
* Mr 4 Speed- Herb McCandless
* Paper Tiger - Ron Sox - Gate City Motors
* Tim Richards
* Golden Commandoes - Al Eckstrand
* Haulin Hemi II - Lee Smith
* Ramchargers - Jim Thornton - Hodges Dodges
* Melrose Missile- Tommy Grove
* Bloodhound - Bob Ranstrom
* Hemi Rebel Rouser - Chuck Grimsley
* Huckleberry Hound - Roger Johansen
* Orval Moore - Melvin Stiers, c/o Bud Johnson, 5th Ave C-P, Anchorage, AK * Ronnie Bullard - Evanston Dodge
* Orange Blossom - John Sims, Las Cruces, New Mexico
* (Norman Hall?) - Derby Chrysler Plymouth, Louisville, KY
* The Kentucky Colonels - David Heath
* Color Me Gone- Roger Lindamood
* (Alford Durrell?) - Atkins C-P, Decatur, Al.
* Flintstone Flying Commando - Dave Koffel
* Highlander - Wild Bill Flynn - Harris Auto RI
* Wildcatter - Foster Maysi
* Dick Housey - McCullogh - Ricci Inc.
* The Virginian - W W ‘Pee Wee’ Wallace *
* The Stinger - Frank B.Mathews, Ed Davis Chrysler, Detroit, MI, then Dave Tinney
* Torqueflite Tornado 111 - Jack Ferris - Ferris Motors
* Mothers Mistake - Tony Redman- Paddock Plymouth
* Mountain Hemi - Harold Hurley - Doug Hurley
* Fugitive - John Hagan
* The Chinese Bandit - Johnny P?
* Ole Brownie - Arlen Vanke - Arlen Vanke Superstocks, then Plymouth Rock 11 - Ed Miller - Miller & Gunther
* Drag-on Lady - Shirley Shahan
* Joe Smith - Fenner & Tubbs
* Texas Rattler - Mingle Motors
* Yankee Peddler - Bill Flynn
* 555 - Ken Montgomery
* Mr Plymouth - Robert Nance
* Outlaw - Sonny Wayland
* Hemi Charger - Russ Funk
* Giddy up a go go - Big Ed
* Claude Bradshaw - Joe Sperino Plymouth
* Ray Christian - Pottmeyer Dodge
* Bold Weevil - Merrill Ling - Washington
* Missouri Mule - Doc Spence - Sites Bros
* California Flash - Butch Leal
* Carlon Hine - Hine Motors
* The Roadrunner — Fred Cutler - Ramchargers
* Big Money Dodge - Jim Thornton - Ramchargers
*Mr Plymouth - Robert Nance
* Whiplash - Henderon Eastgate Motors
*The Apex - Ray Christian
*Gene Kidder - Kidder Garage
*Hot Foot - Don Braasch
* “7” - George McAndrews - McAndrews Brothers
*Dick Levreault- Levreault Brothers - Hambden Dodge
*Sloan & Sloan - Ernie Sloan
* Jerry Maycock - McKay-Swift Dodge
* Huron Valley Pure - Bob Fishaw.
*Hemi Coffin- Butch Flames
* Man from Mopar then Harms Way - Harmon Friend - Gary Dodge, Lorain Ohio
*Dave Parent - Mahopac, NY
*Mr Ed - Ed Knezevich - K&K Racing Team, Columbus Ohio
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Steve - you may find these lists useful/interesting/hopelessly incorrect! ��

64 Race Hemi A864 - Car , Driver, Team

Hoeferts Hurricane - Claude Bradshaw Sr - Hoefert Dodge, Alton Ill
Eddie Smith - West Virginia -
Snorkasaurus IV - Blue Barnes
Bob Cain - Fred F Cain Plymouth
Melrose Missile VI - Tommy Grove - Melrose Plymouth (2% car...not counted in regular production)
Hemi Honker - Bud Faubel - Shively Motors (Sedan & Hardtop) ( Hardtop converted from Max wedge)
Golden Commando 5 & 6- Forest Pitcock - Hamilton Motors (Sedan & Hardtop)
Candymatic - Jim Thornton - Ramchargers - Hodges Dodges (2% car not counted in regular production)
Candymatic Too - Mike Buckel - Ramchargers - Hodges Dodges
‘Our Bear’? - Dave Strickler - Dodge Boys (Sedan & Hardtop) - Ill. Hardtop was Max Wedge car
Larry Lawrence - The Dodge Boys, Portland Oregon
Yankee Peddler - Wild Bill Flynn - County Dodge (Hardtop) Max Wedge Car
Color Me Gone - Roger Lindamood (2% car not counted in regular production)
Hustler - Pat Minick - Grand Spaulding Dodge
Hemi-Charger - Dick Landy - Automotive Research
Mayflower V - Hank Taylor - (Hank Taylor in his 1964 Plymouth S/SA 'Mayflower V' was the first S/SA to go under 11.50. He did it at Phenix City, Alabama in August 1964. He re-set the S/SA National Record.)
Paul Rossi- Westborn Chrysler Raiders
Dick Lohr - Hine Motors (Jack Eakin's car...Lohr's was a Max Wedge)
The Hemi-Roid - Gene Snow - Melton & Snow Autos
Mr Plymouth 426 - Robert Nance
Lawman - Al Ekstrand (Sedan 2% car not counted in regular production, also had a MW hardtop)
777 - Jakes Speed Equipment
The Butcher - Jim Ford (Hardtop)
Ramrunner Too - Miller/Kruger Illinois Dodge
Lee Smith - Nate Learners Chrysler (Sedan & Hardtop)
The Warsaw Rebel (Hardtop) - (Some question over this car)
Joe Smith - Fenner Tubbs (Hardtop)
Born Wild
Its a Hemi - Tom Strunk & Hayden Proffit - Yeakel Plymouth Center (Sedan & Hardtop)
Big Red - Dave Lewis
Missouri Mule- Doc Spence - Site Bros I know they had a 65 car...
Bill Barton - Burgoise & Wade Earl Wade, double listed
Maverick - Bill ‘Maverick’ Golden - Orange County Dodge
Earl Wade - Speed Enterprises
Jim Rodgers - Town & Country Chrysler Plymouth
Flying Carpet - Bob Harrop - Harrop Crescent Dodge
Suspect Max Wedge Car
Hemi-Munster
Flying Dutchman - Al Vandervoude - Culver City Plymouth
Tax Dodge - Joe ? Later owner
Billy West - The Little Pilgrim - Yates Motor Company NC
The Iron Butterfly - Ted Spehar Six cylinder car built for competition in 1969
Grey Ghost - Jim Hale - Jim’s Speedshop Not original owner
Quarterbender - Bill Rieck - Lompoc Performance Center
Suddenly II - The Dodge Boys - Larry ? /Melvyn ?/ Tex ?
Hurricane - Herb Freels - Francis & Parsons
Satellite - Harold Laplatte - Ferriero Motor Sales
Mr Black - Ron Powers - Powers Automotive Is this the Reverend Mr Black car? MW Hardtop...
Determination - Jim Clark Max Wedge Car
Big Money Dodge (ex Ramchargers car)
Rebel - Penn- Can Motors
Roadrunner -
Tickles me pink -
Jayhawker - Jon Thorne "63 Max Wedge car with '64 front sheet metal
Goldfinger Hawaiian Style
11th Commandment II - Joe Bambace
Jerry Maycock - Mckay/Swift Dodge
Gary Ostrich - Chuck Ostrich Inc. - (Hardtop)
Hemi-Head Plymouth - Bill Dill - Minnesota (Hardtop)
Tim Hennessey/Bill Drakes (Hardtop)
Lynn Ferguson - Lundy Motors, StJohns Michigan (Hardtop)
Al’s Auto Sales (Hardtop)
Hair bender - Dick Hansen/Gordon Stewart - Sioux Falls
McCullach-Ricci Chrysler Plymouth - Detroit Max Wedge car
Hahn Motor Company Ex-Melrose Missile
Mr Motech- John Tedder - Michigan New one on me...
Jay Miner - New York
King of the Goats - ‘Big Deal’ Jacobs - Alabama
Teachers Pet - Jerry Stein Jerry ran Max Wedge's...was an original owner of a '63 car.
Don Owens - Pink Panther Max Wedge car
Jersey Duke 2- Jack Werst - Duke Motors
Rumblebee - Assay -Bruno Motors, NJ (Later Wild Man)
Pandemonium - Jim O’Connor
Just a few things I see off the top of my head added in red...will touch on your '65 list later...
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Can anyone give me contact info on Rat Patrol? My dad is on his 64 hemi list and I would like more info.
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Just a few things I see off the top of my head added in red...will touch on your '65 list later...
Thx Steve...a lot of these I just pulled off George Klass remembers....and could only go by the scoop! 😆

Others were memories from members of Harold Laplattes FB page..and could not be verified.
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