What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?

Sean Kennedy · 09-22-2010, 09:09 PM

Well there's been lots of fighting about the cars. I want to make this just out of curiosity. Don't plan on posting, or arguing. Just want to create a poll to see how it shakes out....

Jess Suter · 09-22-2010, 09:51 PM

put them in super stock where they belong
add that to the poll

Ed Fernandez · 09-22-2010, 10:01 PM

If NHRA implimented choice #2 then #1 would fix itself and some would go to SS where they belong.

X-TECH MAN · 09-22-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

If NHRA implimented choice #2 then #1 would fix itself and some would go to SS where they belong.

IF they were to take the new "STOCK" HP factors with them. S/S is another ball game with lower ratings for the most part. Stick and auto should be factored to same also.

Run to Rund · 09-22-2010, 10:31 PM

In 1966, 50 cars was enough to get a package into stock. NHRA put it to them in 67 and "created" super stock, not letting these cars run in stock any more. All of a sudden, a stock package wasn't any longer. Does this make a precedent? . . .

Andys dad · 09-22-2010, 10:53 PM

Buy one of each

Sean Kennedy · 09-22-2010, 11:33 PM

Wow, there are apparently A LOT more 'clowns' than I thought. So I guess almost everyone in stock is a clown?

Just A Fan · 09-23-2010, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jess suter

put them in super stock where they belong
add that to the poll

+1

sskwb · 09-23-2010, 09:27 AM

I don't have horse in this race and I'm not a class racer so please forgive the ignorance.

I am a long time fan and bracket racer. i do remember when you could order hemi's and ZL-1.... and the role those type of cars played in both class racing and sales on Monday. I do believe it is very important to get the manufacturers and the newer cars into the class if it's going to draw a younger fan/ racer base to survive.

What is the harm/problem if they correct the HP rating and they are treated with the same stock rules that are know currently being used- are they realy any different that the current "paper cars"- and leave them in stock?

Kurt Bastian

Dgal · 09-23-2010, 10:48 AM

Kurt,

You have an excellent point and it has been suggested in the past "just correct the hp." There are a couple of problems. These cars are so far underrated that it will take several years to do this. Even the LT1s took a while and they weren't that far off, but they were also in their own class until things got sorted out (best solution).

The other problem with correcting the hp on these combos is that Ford mainly and I believe Chrysler have several other combos that are coming out that are just as far underrated as these are. This could take decades to get right or it may never be right if they keep bringing out these new poorly factored combos.

How would you like to be one of the original Cobra Jet/Drag Pak owners and not be able to qualify because the new combos are bumping you?

It would be pretty funny to hear them sing our song, IMHO.

As far as the marketing aspect of this stunt. I personally don't think the "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" is nearly as effective as what GM did with the Camaro in the "Transformers" movie. This is a new age of media and that got much more buzz and sales for the Camaro it appears based on the chart I posted earlier. The Camaro in many months out sells the Mustangs and Challengers combined!

They really do need to keep these cars in Stock, but put them in the proper class and allow them to make the rule book modifications to fit Super Stock/GT where possible. I like the cars and the drivers. I have also noticed that none of the drivers are new to racing.

It would be nice to develop a program that brings new blood into drag racing. I am not sure what that would be, but I am confident that it must include scantily clad women. I bet a Linda Vaughan enmasse' reincarnation marketing effort would work. That is my theory and I am sticking to it.

View Poll Results: What would you do with the CJ and DP cars?
A more accurate HP rating	78	32.37%
Their own class	138	57.26%
Leave it like it is!	25	10.37%
Voters: 241. You may not vote on this poll

09-22-2010, 10:01 PM	#3
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation? If NHRA implimented choice #2 then #1 would fix itself and some would go to SS where they belong. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

09-22-2010, 10:31 PM	#5
Run to Rund Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 574 Likes: 6 Liked 44 Times in 22 Posts	Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation? In 1966, 50 cars was enough to get a package into stock. NHRA put it to them in 67 and "created" super stock, not letting these cars run in stock any more. All of a sudden, a stock package wasn't any longer. Does this make a precedent? . . .

09-22-2010, 10:53 PM	#6
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation? Buy one of each __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

09-22-2010, 11:33 PM	#7
Sean Kennedy Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation? Wow, there are apparently A LOT more 'clowns' than I thought. So I guess almost everyone in stock is a clown? __________________ 2002 Division 6 High School Champion 2007 Division 6 Pro Champion 2007 Division 6 National Open Series Stock/Super Stock Champion

09-22-2010, 09:09 PM	#1
Sean Kennedy Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation? Well there's been lots of fighting about the cars. I want to make this just out of curiosity. Don't plan on posting, or arguing. Just want to create a poll to see how it shakes out.... __________________ 2002 Division 6 High School Champion 2007 Division 6 Pro Champion 2007 Division 6 National Open Series Stock/Super Stock Champion

09-22-2010, 09:51 PM	#2
Jess Suter Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 36 Likes: 7 Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation? put them in super stock where they belong add that to the poll __________________ Jess Suter 7305 Stock/SS Duster "life is not a rehearsal"

09-23-2010, 09:27 AM	#9
sskwb Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wind gap pa Posts: 19 Likes: 2 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation? I don't have horse in this race and I'm not a class racer so please forgive the ignorance. I am a long time fan and bracket racer. i do remember when you could order hemi's and ZL-1.... and the role those type of cars played in both class racing and sales on Monday. I do believe it is very important to get the manufacturers and the newer cars into the class if it's going to draw a younger fan/ racer base to survive. What is the harm/problem if they correct the HP rating and they are treated with the same stock rules that are know currently being used- are they realy any different that the current "paper cars"- and leave them in stock? Kurt Bastian

09-23-2010, 10:48 AM	#10
Dgal Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 169 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation? Kurt, You have an excellent point and it has been suggested in the past "just correct the hp." There are a couple of problems. These cars are so far underrated that it will take several years to do this. Even the LT1s took a while and they weren't that far off, but they were also in their own class until things got sorted out (best solution). The other problem with correcting the hp on these combos is that Ford mainly and I believe Chrysler have several other combos that are coming out that are just as far underrated as these are. This could take decades to get right or it may never be right if they keep bringing out these new poorly factored combos. How would you like to be one of the original Cobra Jet/Drag Pak owners and not be able to qualify because the new combos are bumping you? It would be pretty funny to hear them sing our song, IMHO. As far as the marketing aspect of this stunt. I personally don't think the "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" is nearly as effective as what GM did with the Camaro in the "Transformers" movie. This is a new age of media and that got much more buzz and sales for the Camaro it appears based on the chart I posted earlier. The Camaro in many months out sells the Mustangs and Challengers combined! They really do need to keep these cars in Stock, but put them in the proper class and allow them to make the rule book modifications to fit Super Stock/GT where possible. I like the cars and the drivers. I have also noticed that none of the drivers are new to racing. It would be nice to develop a program that brings new blood into drag racing. I am not sure what that would be, but I am confident that it must include scantily clad women. I bet a Linda Vaughan enmasse' reincarnation marketing effort would work. That is my theory and I am sticking to it.