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Old 11-21-2022, 06:57 PM   #11
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Maybe better get rid of those pesky front torsion bars at the same time ! Coil overs, for safety, of course. A guy could bump his head on those dangerous torsion bars while installing the headers.
SHOOT!!!! I could have put that in my letter......Great idea
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Old 11-22-2022, 06:20 AM   #12
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SHOOT!!!! I could have put that in my letter......Great idea
Mission accomplished.... Real purpose of this thread was to see where NHRA came up with this idea. I felt NHRA should've questioned the top SS/AH cars or builders and yes Stephen is one of them. I know NHRA never contacted Robesonia

So NHRA made a decision from a top AH racer that publicly has his car for sale for at least the last 2 years who is trying to leave the class?!!

$5k +/- update expense for "safety". I do want to know if the Spyphish car will be updated prior to the sale or sale price reduced for the new buyer. Asking for a friend
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Old 11-22-2022, 09:30 AM   #13
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Mission accomplished.... Real purpose of this thread was to see where NHRA came up with this idea. I felt NHRA should've questioned the top SS/AH cars or builders and yes Stephen is one of them. I know NHRA never contacted Robesonia

So NHRA made a decision from a top AH racer that publicly has his car for sale for at least the last 2 years who is trying to leave the class?!!

$5k +/- update expense for "safety". I do want to know if the Spyphish car will be updated prior to the sale or sale price reduced for the new buyer. Asking for a friend
This rule change is way overdue. Probably been ten years or so they wanted the update.
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Old 11-22-2022, 10:41 AM   #14
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AMEN! Get the draglink out of the motor. Thank you NHRA. Phish
You were a big part of making it happen. Thank You!
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Old 11-22-2022, 11:43 AM   #15
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Old 11-22-2022, 12:29 PM   #16
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squeaky wheel gets the grease as always....rules creep at its finest.....if u guys want pro stockers im sure the waters fine over there...oh i forgot u want to be a big phish in a little sea

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Everyone cries "death wobble". How many AH cars have that shake? How much ET do you think that would scrub? Not all the AH cars do this and I believe the scrub is negligible as at the top of low gear thees very little weight on the front tires. In SS/CA my Street Hemi has run almost 150 and no wheel wobble, my steering box is not ground on for header clearance and there is a brace supporting the top of the steering box. This is 155 lbs more than AH. I saw one steering box break with the wobble and there was very little left of it where it broke- ground on heavily for header clearance and no brace up top. Replaced with a cast iron stock style box and believe it is still in car and running over 160.

My big argument against this is this:

1) It is not inline with the Bible (Rulebook) here. A super Stock car uses stock components massaged to a higher level. We start throwing away stock components and pretty soon Super Stock turns into either PRO Stock or Super GAS! Where does it end? We have the R&P, Struts are even safer than these rusty old control arms.... Stock is going down this path right now and it will not end well for either class

2) Once one of the top cars update and gains an advantage so will every other car that wants to play at that level. Even parked cars that are for sale or will be for sale are now worth less. I estimated $5k for updates but I believe that is low in this inflated economy. The big draw at Indy is competitive racing. This will only separate the top cars from 2nd string or slower cars. More expense and less competitive racing = lose/lose

I'm all for safety but not at the expense of the rules. Show me one recent crash in AH caused by a broken, non ground on, non braced box. And if you kick the rods and take out your steering linkage, Call MR2 for a diaper and stock forged steel centerlink .

While we're writing letters, I'm going to petition NHRA for a pro charger to bolt on the front of my Hemi. Much safer on my wallet to make 1050hp.......
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Old 11-22-2022, 07:03 PM   #18
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[QUOTE=SSDA Hemi;671262]Everyone cries "death wobble". How many AH cars have that shake? How much ET do you think that would scrub? Not all the AH cars do this and I believe the scrub is negligible as at the top of low gear thees very little weight on the front tires. In SS/CA my Street Hemi has run almost 150 and no wheel wobble, my steering box is not ground on for header clearance and there is a brace supporting the top of the steering box. This is 155 lbs more than AH. I saw one steering box break with the wobble and there was very little left of it where it broke- ground on heavily for header clearance and no brace up top. Replaced with a cast iron stock style box and believe it is still in car and running over 160.

I'm sure you know the B/E body front susp is an entirely different animal than the A body with the A body being junk by comparison in stock form. I have never seen a cast iron manual steering box on any 62 and later A B or E body car, maybe there was one but I must have missed it.
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Old 11-22-2022, 10:46 PM   #19
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Flaming River makes an iron replacement box. Thatís what they used in the car that John is talking about


QUOTE I'm sure you know the B/E body front susp is an entirely different animal than the A body with the A body being junk by comparison in stock form. I have never seen a cast iron manual steering box on any 62 and later A B or E body car, maybe there was one but I must have missed it.[/QUOTE]
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Old 11-23-2022, 10:04 AM   #20
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Mission accomplished.... Real purpose of this thread was to see where NHRA came up with this idea. I felt NHRA should've questioned the top SS/AH cars or builders and yes Stephen is one of them. I know NHRA never contacted Robesonia

So NHRA made a decision from a top AH racer that publicly has his car for sale for at least the last 2 years who is trying to leave the class?!!

$5k +/- update expense for "safety". I do want to know if the Spyphish car will be updated prior to the sale or sale price reduced for the new buyer. Asking for a friend
Not really, my email recieved an already in the works response from NHRA. PM me your email and I will send you the whole email and responses. (Did not get Ti valves) Since the Indy sponsor has us in a special class, why not ask for a saftey upgrade. After 2 cars wrecked years back with freeze plug failure at 155ish MPH (Bullet Bob & Brooks), I had Reher pin my freeze plugs. Was kicked out of Indy for external mod to the head. Got to love me some Robesonia. There still pinned as wiser heads (pun) prevailed. And yes my car will be upgraded. When your 71 and blind in one eye from birth, come give it a go. I don't do too bad at times. Selling due to father time. The only reason I was not at Indy was the 2 year Laura storm insurance deadline of Aug. 26. Stayed home and completed insurance claim instead of spending money to get spanked by Comella.......Phish

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