Best Pontiac Powered Stockers

[oldskool]

OK, we were up thru 2006, lookin at race results for '71-'72 Birds, especially the Burton Birds. Also noting other Pontiacs at those same races.

No Burton cars at the 2007 Winter Nats. But I need to mention it anyhow.
Bryan Phillips was #8 @ -1.148. Leo was #11 @ -1.132. John Schloe was #22 @ -1.006. Tibor Kadar was # 35 @ -.941. Also on the list were Chris Denton & Ryan Schloe.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

Tibor got RU !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

At the spring Vegas race, pretty much the whole Pontiac crew showed up, plus Brad Burton was #2 @ -1.374. Chris was #6 @ -1.278. John was #12 @ -1.240. Bryan was #15 @ -1.230. Leo was #25 @ -1.169. Tibor was #46 @ -.999. Ryan was #64 @ - .820.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

Had several class winners. Bryan beat Brad in E/SA.

At the Route 66 Nats, Brad was #1 @ - 1.093. Scott was #5 @ -.961. Tim Gillespie was #22 @ -.856. Tibor was #37 @ -.767. Terry Nagel was #53 @ -.646.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

Only 3 Pontiacs made the Denver race. Scott was #2 @ -1.298. Brad was #4 @ -1.260. Larry was #41 @ -.909.

The Burtons got their class win.

No Burtons at Fontana. But Pontiac picked up positions 3,4,5 &6, on the Q-list. Bryan & John were both @ -1.142. Leo was @ -1.140, & Bill Edgeworth was @ -1.139. Tibor was #19 @ -1.016. Chris was #34 @ -.940. Lindy Lindholm was #51 @ -.806 in a '77 Grand Prix. Ryan was #64, & George Thompson was #77, in a '73 Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

Tibor won the race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

The Burtons made the fall Vegas race. Brad was #2 @ -1.421 Scott was #9 @ -1.284. Bryan was #10 @ -1.275. John was #11 @ -1.274. Chris was #13 @ -1.270. Leo was #28 @ -1.215. Tibor was #53 @ -1.093. Larry was #96. Ryan was #105. George was #118. It was a 128 car field.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

Brad beat Bryan for the E/SA win. Leo won F/SA. Tibor won his class. Chris got a single. And Scott left too soon

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

Leo & Tibor made it to the semifinal. So we could'a had an all-Pontiac final. But it didn't happen. They both lost.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

At Pomona, John was #2 @ -1.168. Leo was #12 @ -1.057. Tibor was #18 @ -1.049. Bryan was #20 @ -1.039. Lindy was #44 @ - .884. Ryan was #63.

No winners.

That wraps up 2007 out West. Several of these Pontiacs qualified @ more than a sec under, at every race they entered.

Wish I had results from the div races, but I don't. DRC records for div races only go back as far as 2012.

So, if any of you guys know of Pontiacs that won a div race before 2012, please post that info.

[oldskool]

I know we haven't got up to '74 Birds yet. But, in the pic I posted of Bob Mulry's '74, in T/A trim, I couldn't, at first, detect the T/A fender vent.

Now I have a good pic, clearly showing the vent. I'm sure I'll use this pic again, when we get up to the '74 models. But, I wanna also post it here.

From all I've read, this was an awesome car, setting the record in 3 classes & running more than 1.5 sec under, at several races.

[oldskool]

OK, lets look at 2008.

The Burtons showed up at Phoenix. Chris Denton was #6 @ - 1.100. Scott was #10 @ - 1.050. Brad was #15 @ - 1.033. Leo was #20 @ - 1.010. Tibor was #42 @ -.854.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

Chris got a single in her class. Scott won his class. And Brad beat Leo, in his class final.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

At the spring Vegas race, Bill Edgeworth was #6 @ - 1.314. Brad was #10 @ - 1.284. Scott was #12 @ - 1.272. Bryan was #15 @ - 1.255. John was #17 @ - 1.227. Tibor was #25 @ - 1.150. Chris was #31 @ - 1.115. Lindy was #74 @ -.865. Larry was #76 @ -.847. Ryan was #83 @ -.726.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

Hey, if the 1.2 under rule had been in effect, several of these oldPontiacs would have had to slow it down a bit.

Chris Denton, Bill Edgeworth & Bryan Phillips got their class win.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

At the Mile High Nats Brad was #2 @ - 1.435. Scott was #4 @ - 1.366. And they both easily picked up their class win.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

And, Brad got his 1st nat even win !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

The Burton's didn't make Fontana. Bryan was #9 @ - 1.002. John was #12 @ - 1.991. John Schiess was #14 @ -.982, in a '67 Pontiac. Never saw that name before. Leo was #19 @ -.954. Bil was #23 @ -.938. Tony Janes was #57. Ryan was #62.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

No Stock at the fall Vegas race, & the Burtons didn't go to Pomona. John was #3 @ - 1.205. Bryan was #11 @ - 1.080. Larry was #18 @ - 1.040. Leo was #24 @ - 1.018. Lindy was #43 @ -.836. Ryan was #52 @ -.700.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

That does it for '08. The Burton's best qualifying was at their home track. Brad went 1.435 under & Scott went 1.366 under. I'd say those were 2 pretty strong 2nd gen Birds ! And, I assume that Brad thought his big win was pretty cool !

[oldskool]

In 2009, Scott made it to the Winter Nats. He was #4 @ - 1.142. Bryan was #14 @ - 1.098. John was #18 @ - 1.086. Leo Was #24 @ - 1.048. Lindy was #48 @ -.915. Tibor was #51 @ -.895.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At Phoenix, Brad was #6 @ - 1.113. Scott was #7 @ - 1.104. Larry was #16 @ - 1.025. Tibor was #51 @ -.817.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

Brad won this one !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At the Spring Vegas race, Scott was #1 @ - 1.383. Brad was #2 @ 1.382. Bryan was #14 @ - 1.215. John was #20 @ - 1.199. Larry was #39 @ - 1.095. Lindy was #72 @ -.857. Steve Hunt was #75 @ -.833.
Don Elgin was #84 @ -.763.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

Brad made it to the semifinal.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At the Mile High Nats. Brad was #2 @ - 1.415. Scott was #3 @ - 1.365. Larry was #31 @ -.758.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

Brad made it to the semi final. Scott lost the previous round.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At Sonoma, Leo was #1 @ - 1.239. Bob Aceves was #9 @ - 1.077. Bill Edgeworth was #11 @ - 1.059. Bryan was #24 @ -.982. Ryan Warter was #50.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

At the Fall Vegas race, Brad was #4 @ - 1.466. Leo was #6 @ - 1.436. Scott was #8 @ - 1.401. Rick Unterseh was #13 @ - 1.340. John was #14 @ - 1.312. Bryan was #19 @ - 1.284. Bob Aceves was #20 @ - 1.282. Mike McGinley was #23 @ -1.247. Mark Maxwell was #26 @ - 1.226. Tibor was # 33 @ - 1.164. Lindy was #47 @ - 1.125. Marion Stephenson was #52 @ - 1.095. Bill Edgeworth was #60 @ - 1.047. Randi Lyn was #77 @ -.952. Larry was #89 @ -.858. Don Elgin was #103 @ -.705. And Ryan Warter was on the bump spot #128.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

Wow ! I count 17 Pontiac Stockers in this race. That's the most I've ever heard of. Also had 5 class winners.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

The Burtons didn't go the Pomona Finals. Leo was #3 @ - 1.139. Larry was #4 @ - 1.129. John was #8 @ - 1.082. Lindy was #25 @ - 1.031. Marion Stephenson was #26 @ - 1.024. Randi Lyn was #42 @ -.900.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

Well, Brad got another win that year, & there were still quite a few quick Pontiacs, out West.

[oldskool]

While rummaging thru a few old IHRA Drag Review papers today, I found a couple of things I need to post, and ask some questions about.

The 1st pic is of a '73 GTO, in which Mick Leiferman won a race. I think most here know that Mick got RU at Indy 3 years running. I assume this is the car he had, after that. This pic was made nearly a year after his last US Nats RU. Anybody have any good pics to post of this '73 ?

The rest of the pics are about a driver named Billy Joe Moravits. The 1st time I knew the name, was from when he got Stock RU at the IHRA points race in Tyler TX, in '78, where TJ won the bracket class.

He was pictured in the H-O Racing Specialties newsletter. There are 2 different Pontiacs pictured. So, I assume he was part of a family that raced Pontiacs, maybe. Says he was from San Antonio TX.

Have info that says he's kin to Barney Moravits, who has T&P Automotive Machine, in San Antonio TX. His full name is William Joseph Moravits, age 66, and according to online search still lives in San Antonio. So, are there any members here who live in that part of TX, who happen to know either Barney or Billy Joe ? I could start calling every number I can find for him & the shop, but seems like some of you guys know almost everybody who has ever raced a Pontiac. So, I thought I'd ask first.

So, does anybody know Barney or Billy Joe Moravits ?

He's even shown on some Q-lists from 2000, in a 3rd gen Bird GT car.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=86954

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=86843

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=86449

https://www.google.com/search?q=t+%2...hrome&ie=UTF-8

[oldskool]

OK, we're up to 2010, lookin mostly at '71 & '72 Birds, especially the Burton Birds.

At Pomona, Brad was #3 -.969. Leo was #7 @ -.939. Mike McGinley was #9 @ -.920. Larry was #17 @ -.878. Jack Matyas was #18 @ -.861. Scott was #19 @ .860. Marion Stphenson was #69, & Ryam Warter was #73.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

Brad won this race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

At Phoenix, Brad was #4 @ -.842. Tibor was #7 @ -.802. Scott was #11 @ -.770. Marion & Ryan were on the lower half of the sheet.
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https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

At Vegas Leo was #2 @ - 1.134. Tibor was #8 @ - 1.009. Scott was #9 -.984. Mark Maxwell was #14 @ -.902. Lindy was #23 @ -.822. Ryan Warter was at the bottom.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

The Burtons didn't make the Fontana race. But Leo was #1 qualifier, @ -.956. Lindy was #10 @ -.720. John was #13 @ -.705.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

All the Pontiacs picked up their class win. John Schloe won the race ! But he had to put out Leo in the Semi. So, Pontiacs got the #1 qualifier & the Stock win ! Hey, that's a pretty good day for the Pontiac faithful.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

The Burtons made the Topeka race. Scott was #8 @ -.853. Brad was #10 @ -.837. They were the only Pontiacs on the list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

OK, now we come to the Mile High Nats. This is the 1st race I've seen where Scott has moved up to B/SA, with the RAIV engine. Brad is #2 @ - 1.099. Scott is #8 @ -.982.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

And Brad won the race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

At the Fall Vegas race, Leo was #5 @ - 1.100. Michael Brand was driving Scott's B/SA Bird. He was #8 @ - 1.047. Brad was #11 @ - 1.000. Lindy was #17 @ -.966. Tibor was #24 @ -.908. Larry was #35 @ -.852. Don Elgin was #79.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

At the Pomona Finals, Bill was #3 @ - 1.079. Leo was #5 @ - 1.037. Brad was #8 @ - 1.024. Scott was #10 @ - 1.014. John was #15 @ -.982. Lindy was #20 @ -.956.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

Well, Brad Burton got his 1st national Championship ! How cool is that ? And he did it in a Pontiac powered Pontiac. For me, that's WAY cool !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

For you guys who have been keepin up with Stock racing for a long time, who was the last guy to win a Stock Championship, in a Pontiac V8 powered Pontiac, before Brad did it in 2010 ?

[oldskool]

OK, lets continue to look at early 2nd gen Birds. Since Scott had switched to the '70 RAIV combo, and we'll soon be seeing some '73 cars that ran/run strong, AND since '70-'73 Bird bodies are so similar, we'll look especially at the '70-'73 models, while also noting other quick Pontiacs, at the same races or same season.

We'll look now at the 2011 season. At the Winter Nats, Leo was # 3 @ -.973. Brad was #11 @ - .872. John was #12 @ -.864. Lindy was #26 @ -.807. Scott was #35 @ -.735.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

At the Spring Vegas race, Brad was #3 @ -.912. Scott was #5 @ -.887. Leo was #6 @ -.884. Lindy was #16 @ -.765.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

At the Mile High Nats, Michael Brand was #2 @ -.906. Scott was #12 @ -.709.

Scott won the race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

I think by this race Brad Burton had moved to Washington State. At the Northwest Nats, he was #2 @ -.902. Bill was #3 @ -.883. Don Elgin was #23 @ -.556.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

Brad made the semi.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

I checked in at the Sports Nats race. Bob Michaels was #8 @ -.976. Randi Lyn was # 13 @ -.937. Mike Morgan was #25 @ -.875. Mike McGinley was #28 @ -.862. Tim Gillespie was #30 @ -.849.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

At the AZ Nats, Randi Lyn was #11 @ -.771. Tibor was #12 @ -.724. Scott was #14 @ -.698. Lindy was #17 @ -.691. Rick was #25 @ -.634. Brad was #29 @ -.544.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

Randi Lyn won her 1st nat event !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

At the Fall Vegas race, Leo was #13 @ -.973. Brad was #16 @ -.931. Randi Lyn was #22 @ -.895. Scott was #25 @ -.872. Larry was #28 @ -.854. Michael Brand was #35 @ -.822. John was #38 @ -.811. Paul was #59 @ -.738. Lindy was #61 @ -.724. Don was #88.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

At Pomona, Randi Lyn qualified at more than a sec under. Highest of any carb equipped car. No Pontiac winners.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

[Rick Unterseh]

I see you are hitting the nationals..... gonna do a separate thread on the Pontiacs at divisionals? not everyone goes to the Nationals.... some of us just don't go anymore from past experiences.

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Rick Unterseh

I see you are hitting the nationals..... gonna do a separate thread on the Pontiacs at divisionals? not everyone goes to the Nationals.... some of us just don't go anymore from past experiences.

Yeah, just about to start including the div races. DRC only shows 2012-up div race results. Right now, DRC is about the only source I have. If somebody knows a quick reliable source for the older div races, I'll be glad to dive into 'em & see what I can find.

Hey, if any of you guys have Pontiac V8 powered div race wins to report, by all means, please post that info !

There are also races with other names, like regionals, national opens, Stock/SS combo races. There's no way I can hope to find results for all those. So, anybody with info about Pontiac wins at any of those special races, please post it.

How about the Stock final, at the top of the page, on the February 2012 DRC div race list ? An all Pontiac final. Scott Burton winner. Michael Brand RU !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

I suspect there will be lots of div race Pontiac wins to report.

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Yeah, just about to start including the div races. DRC only shows 2012-up div race results. Right now, DRC is about the only source I have. If somebody knows a quick reliable source for the older div races, I'll be glad to dive into 'em & see what I can find.

Hey, if any of you guys have Pontiac V8 powered div race wins to report, by all means, please post that info !

There are also races with other names, like regionals, national opens, Stock/SS combo races. There's no way I can hope to find results for all those. So, anybody with info about Pontiac wins at any of those special races, please post it.

How about the Stock final, at the top of the page, on the February 2012 DRC div race list ? An all Pontiac final. Scott Burton winner. Michael Brand RU !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

I suspect there will be lots of div race Pontiac wins to report.