EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race Cars

[goinbroke2]

Anybody notice most of the masks (including those used by officials) were 3M??LOL!

I love capitalism!

They do the dirty building of stuff we want and we sell them the protection to keep working in dirty conditions to build the stuff we want, lol win-win.

ok a bit sarcastic but, England learned in the 1800's how bad coal fired everything was...China is now figuring it out.

[james schaechter]

Bruce, suppression of our citizens right to vote is unfair. True. However, just as contributing our voice through voting is important, I think it is also important to offer our voice in these matters that can affect us. If we do not, we have only ourselves to blame.

Well intentioned people in positions of authority may have a focused goal to improve emissions. That is a worthy cause. However, low or no impact scenarios like ours can be affected because of the EPA being unaware of these consequences. I am not talking big money lobbyists. I am talking racers just like us.

For example, imagine if you hired an accountant to secure your children's inheritance and gave them full authority over your assets to complete this one, defined mission.

You would wake up and find your entire racing operation and many other quality of life activities that are clearly not needed to be divested.

Now, it isn't that accountants are bad people. They only fulfilled the mission under the ground.rules they were given. (Which was none in my example).

So, you find out all of the fun stuff you had in life, your race car and all supporting equipment was long gone.
When you confront the accountant to ask why in the @!#- he did that, he would only say "sorry, I didn't know"

All I can say is that this scenario would cut across any political spectrum. I would encourage thoughtful and productive communication to your representatives.

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Not that I expect you to read it:

http://www.nationalmemo.com/pennsylv...c-vote-in-2012

and

Passing laws that reduce polling stations and hours of operation is blatant voter suppression. There is nothing funny about voting. It is a serious matter.

Edit: cellphone issues with links. Google voter suppression - especially in PA.

[jsr1485]

This is the meat of the whole problem they tried to slip this past us.
The EPA is proposing regulation that will have a broad impact on the aftermarket/performance automotive industry in this country. Hidden in the proposal which is titled Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Fuel Efficiency Standards for Medium and Heavy-Duty Engines and Vehicles; Phase 2
There is a section that drives at the heart of a long standing American culture, this being the modification of cars for off-road and competition use. I find it very dishonest to title a proposal for Medium and Heavy Duty eninges and then slip in something that will impact a great many people under this guise. Here is the paragraph I'm referring to

67. Section 86.1854-12 is amended by adding paragraph (b)(5) to read as follows: _ 86.1854-12 Prohibited acts. * * * * * (b) * * * (5) Certified motor vehicles and motor vehicle engines and their emission control devices must remain in their certified configuration even if they are used solely for competition or if they become nonroad vehicles or engines; anyone modifying a certified motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine for any reason is subject to the tampering and defeat device prohibitions of paragraph (a)(3) of this section and 42 U.S.C. 7522(a)(3).

[davidhuff]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Not that I expect you to read it:

http://www.nationalmemo.com/pennsylv...c-vote-in-2012

and

Passing laws that reduce polling stations and hours of operation is blatant voter suppression. There is nothing funny about voting. It is a serious matter.

Edit: cellphone issues with links. Google voter suppression - especially in PA.

Give me a break the days of Poll Taxes and Literacy Test are a thing of the past.Get a copy of your Birth Certificate or US Passport showing you are a US Citizen,register to vote in your state and go vote.Why do people like you keep bringing up the past and you know dam well if you are a us citizen and want to vote you can.

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by FireSale

My take is that this is a proposal to prohibit tampering with the emission on any new vehicle beginning with model year 2018.

Actually, those regulations have been in place since 1984 when catalytic converters became standard equipment on all cars.

Jim

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by impstocker

I feel we can't even trust having a Republican president can save us going down this road. Need to take some tips from the NRA

Just remember that the original law banning the removal of catalytic converters went into effect in 1984. What party was the president then?

Jim

[Superfan1]

I just signed another petition concerning this matter on the PowerNation TV website.

Here is a link - http://powernationtv.com/post/say-no...to-motorsports

I sincerely hope that everyone that reads this forum will sign this petition.

[CMcAllister]

Federal certification, which is what we are talking about, began in the late '60s as part of the Clean Air Act. That is how far back they can go with this, if they so chose.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by davidhuff

Give me a break the days of Poll Taxes and Literacy Test are a thing of the past.Get a copy of your Birth Certificate or US Passport showing you are a US Citizen and go vote.I did that and it was dam easy to do.

No, you don't get a break. Nice try though. Nobody said anything about poll taxes. Shutting down and/or restricting access to polling stations is a stab at the heart of the USA.

Jim, we moved from the apples to the orange basket. I absolutely agree that we have the right to speak out about any issue. My point is that I don't buy into all this draconian BS that some of these guys are floating out here.

[Dwight Southerland]

Bruce, probably your side of the argument would be represented better if you would lay off the ad hominem references. Nobody appreciates being addressed as "conspiracy theory wing nuts" or their fears and beliefs as "draconian BS" or talked down to. There is very real concern when authorities with no oversight have the full force of the government when making rules an regulations that affect real people's lives with no recourse. There are 57 commercial fishermen and three private marinas in Arkansas that are being threatened with fines and jail time if they do not cease their operations due to the EPA ruling that was handed down last year. You may be correct that the EPA would not enforce the regulation as it is written, but the fact is that they could and we would have no recourse. We might then mount an objection and fight to overturn the regulation, but it would be after many, many people would be affected. It's like the IRS bringing charges against you for tax violations, you may be innocent and be able to prove it, but the legal costs and loss of revenue during the fight would be devastating. The IRS is simply going to say "sorry" and you have no recourse for compensation.