"Live" from the Indy US Nationals 2015 - Page 9

Bobby Fazio · 09-02-2015, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joseph

I bought a E/SA Camaro over the winter and understood the factory stock COPO s etc wouldn't screw up the eliminator any longer but looks like I'm wrong. What a crock if you want to spend 150,000.00 and up,or in many cases get it free, for a store bought killer factory stocker ,which by the way has 4 link rear,coil overs and need I go on. Now there are a lot of great stockers at Indy that will sit out eliminations because these cars eat up 30 and more of the 128 spots. Only good news you don't have to run them in class but that's as far as most will go this year. 1.3 under will they get HP or not?

Yes I agree something really needs to be done about these cars as there will only continue to be more of them each year. 62 FS cars went down the track in Q1 with 44 of them already in the field! How can you have 44 qualified cars, so far, that are not subjected to HP correction or even factored into the mineshaft rule? Don't separate them, just bring their indexes a little closer to reality. I like factory cars in stock.

Number 77th qualifier actually is the 43rd qualifier based on mineshaft rule since there are 84 old iron cars currently qualified this requires 43 old cars to be -.85 under. He is -.929 under so the mineshaft rule is in effect.

James Perrone · 09-02-2015, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joseph

I bought a E/SA Camaro over the winter and understood the factory stock COPO s etc wouldn't screw up the eliminator any longer but looks like I'm wrong. What a crock if you want to spend 150,000.00 and up,or in many cases get it free, for a store bought killer factory stocker ,which by the way has 4 link rear,coil overs and need I go on. Now there are a lot of great stockers at Indy that will sit out eliminations because these cars eat up 30 and more of the 128 spots. Only good news you don't have to run them in class but that's as far as most will go this year. 1.3 under will they get HP or not?

Dead horse. It's Indy bring your best hope u have enough. Good luck to all. Larry and everyone posting thanks. It's like I'm there. And my phone been ringing all morning with updates. Love Indy

Kevin McKenna · 09-02-2015, 01:34 PM

Won't take sides in the new car debate but I will add some food for thought.

In 2008 (the last year before ANY new cars showed up) there were 169 Stockers on the final sheet at Indy and the bump was .938-under.

In 2015, there are 177 cars on the sheet after Q1 and the bump is .798-under but I'd anticipate that I will be in the .90-92 under range by the time we're done.

Obvious conclusion: If I want t run Indy, I'd better have a car that can run .92-under or quicker.

Also have to wonder what it was like in the late 1960s when the Super Stock eliminator was a 32 car field (mostly class winners) and there were as many as 200 cars on the entry list. Hard to imagine sending that many drivers home early but then again, we had 4 national events in 1968.

Troy Pourciau · 09-02-2015, 01:40 PM

Go ahead Larry. 10.17 in B weight. I know you got more

Kevin McKenna · 09-02-2015, 01:52 PM

Random notes after Super Stock Q1:

160 cars made runs

Bump is Don Bales SS/AH Hemi car at -.557 (8.743)

Only four cars more than a second under (Skillman, Cotten, Leopold Jr. and Twitchell)

21 Hemi Challenge cars (but only 8 of them are currently qualified)

a pair of '68 Barracudas racing as GT cars so obviously not part of the Hemi Challenge (Eric Bell and Eric Bardekoff).

Terry Bride · 09-02-2015, 02:02 PM

Kevin,
I'm pretty sure that 2008 was prior to the .30 index adjustment. So the .938 would be a .638 in relation to the index. So the field has picked up a tenth.

Bill Bagley · 09-02-2015, 02:16 PM

PATSY - KEVIN - KEN ... fabulous job of keeping those of us who are elsewhere well informed. I Wouldn't go to the extent of choosing to stay home on account of the on-line 'play-by-play', but its surely a wonderful alternative for both the 'would be' competitor and the racing fan that simply just couldn't make the trip.

You're all truly a valuable resource for the sport we love!

Mike Pearson · 09-02-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Bagley

PATSY - KEVIN - KEN ... fabulous job of keeping those of us who are elsewhere well informed. I Wouldn't go to the extent of choosing to stay home on account of the on-line 'play-by-play', but its surely a wonderful alternative for both the 'would be' competitor and the racing fan that simply just couldn't make the trip.

You're all truly a valuable resource for the sport we love!

X10!! this is always the best thread of the year. Lots of people chiming in this year with good info.

Kevin McKenna · 09-02-2015, 02:33 PM

I think I'd pay good money to watch Chris Holbrook's Cobra Jet and Clay Arnett's COPO run a best-of-three match race. They are currently the gold standard of supercharged Factory Stock racers and I think it would be every bit as exciting (with similar elapsed times) as a Bob Glidden vs. Lee Shepherd match from about 1981.Now, we just need to get someone (Barton? Tueton?) to build a competitive blown Mopar.

Kevin McKenna · 09-02-2015, 02:39 PM

While I'm flooding this thread with a lot of random thoughts how about this:

The Factory Stock Showdown (FS/XX) winner takes on the Hemi Challenge champ for an "Indy King of the Hill" title. Heads-up, no breakout.

Wolkwitz (8.554) and Holbrook (8.560) current leaders in each class.

09-02-2015, 01:34 PM	#83
Kevin McKenna Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 194 Likes: 0 Liked 32 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Live from the US Nationals INDY Won't take sides in the new car debate but I will add some food for thought. In 2008 (the last year before ANY new cars showed up) there were 169 Stockers on the final sheet at Indy and the bump was .938-under. In 2015, there are 177 cars on the sheet after Q1 and the bump is .798-under but I'd anticipate that I will be in the .90-92 under range by the time we're done. Obvious conclusion: If I want t run Indy, I'd better have a car that can run .92-under or quicker. Also have to wonder what it was like in the late 1960s when the Super Stock eliminator was a 32 car field (mostly class winners) and there were as many as 200 cars on the entry list. Hard to imagine sending that many drivers home early but then again, we had 4 national events in 1968.

09-02-2015, 01:40 PM	#84
Troy Pourciau Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 678 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Live from the US Nationals INDY Go ahead Larry. 10.17 in B weight. I know you got more __________________ Troy "City Dog" Pourciau

09-02-2015, 01:52 PM	#85
Kevin McKenna Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 194 Likes: 0 Liked 32 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Live from the US Nationals INDY Random notes after Super Stock Q1: 160 cars made runs Bump is Don Bales SS/AH Hemi car at -.557 (8.743) Only four cars more than a second under (Skillman, Cotten, Leopold Jr. and Twitchell) 21 Hemi Challenge cars (but only 8 of them are currently qualified) a pair of '68 Barracudas racing as GT cars so obviously not part of the Hemi Challenge (Eric Bell and Eric Bardekoff).

09-02-2015, 02:02 PM	#86
Terry Bride Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 23 Likes: 8 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Live from the US Nationals INDY Kevin, I'm pretty sure that 2008 was prior to the .30 index adjustment. So the .938 would be a .638 in relation to the index. So the field has picked up a tenth. Last edited by Terry Bride; 09-02-2015 at 02:04 PM.

09-02-2015, 02:16 PM	#87
Bill Bagley Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: East Texas Piney Woods Posts: 125 Likes: 112 Liked 31 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Live from the US Nationals INDY PATSY - KEVIN - KEN ... fabulous job of keeping those of us who are elsewhere well informed. I Wouldn't go to the extent of choosing to stay home on account of the on-line '*play-by-play', but its surely a wonderful alternative for both the 'would be' competitor and the racing fan that simply just couldn't make the trip. You're all truly a valuable resource for the sport we love! __________________ Bill Bagley 4561 STK Endeavor to Persevere!*

09-02-2015, 02:33 PM	#89
Kevin McKenna Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 194 Likes: 0 Liked 32 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Live from the US Nationals INDY I think I'd pay good money to watch Chris Holbrook's Cobra Jet and Clay Arnett's COPO run a best-of-three match race. They are currently the gold standard of supercharged Factory Stock racers and I think it would be every bit as exciting (with similar elapsed times) as a Bob Glidden vs. Lee Shepherd match from about 1981.Now, we just need to get someone (Barton? Tueton?) to build a competitive blown Mopar.

09-02-2015, 02:39 PM	#90
Kevin McKenna Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 194 Likes: 0 Liked 32 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Live from the US Nationals INDY While I'm flooding this thread with a lot of random thoughts how about this: The Factory Stock Showdown (FS/XX) winner takes on the Hemi Challenge champ for an "Indy King of the Hill" title. Heads-up, no breakout. Wolkwitz (8.554) and Holbrook (8.560) current leaders in each class.