Why did you build your "slow" stock eliminator car?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

if YAC builds one it will run -1.00... or he wont mess with it.

captain

if billy builds it it will run -1.25 under for less money

I doubt that!
Marks much more "liberal" than I am.;-)

[Bob Bender]

Originally Posted by Bob Bender

Because I wanted to have the fastest W, X, Y and Z stick car in the world.

Here are the pics

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Oh I'd change that car to an '86 in a heartbeat...I wanna run the same exact pud combo you have..


Again ,you brought up f.i. system..not the fuel system.
Like I said... If you have aftermarket anything (Accel) then you have more than we had ..
We had nothing but GM parts in the fuel system ,...and in the f. i. system...and we had the exact same iron cylinder heads and FI that you have Okay? Got it?

Bill Drevo won an NHRA divisional at Suffolk in 1985 with his 173 2.8 X-11 Citation..so you can forget about doing that first too.

This one's ready for the jury....

Fuel system, fuel injection system...same thing in cars like that...granted I left out that I replaced the factory computer with an rules legal Accel Calmap (however I don't have Woodro Josey's smarts on how to tune it, and no baseline was given for me to start out with like the V8's got to enjoy thanks to him)!

Like I said, I don't have yours or Billy Dees smarts, so that's a major strike against me, however, the last time I made a tuning change, it was worth .4 sec, so I'm heading in the right direction (if only I was closer to someone like Woodro Josey, or Craig Railsback at B.D.S., because they would set my calmap up straight). My question to you is did you have headers on your Cimarron? I recall in the '80's they made them for fwd cars with my engine...perhaps Billy Drevo had a set on his divisional event winning Citation...I know Linda Sherman had them on her Citation, because Randy Hyman bought her car, and it came with Hooker Headers. Moreover, since now you're calling my combo pud, go for it! I hope you do buy it! You have 4-5 wks to build it and convert it to an '86 's specs, which means (if it's a Cavalier), you'll have to get a flat hood (not cowl inducted), and cast iron heads. I hope you do get it, because as I also said, I'm not the only one you'll have to race against, and good luck trying to qualify to race me.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Fuel system, fuel injection system...same thing in cars like that...granted I left out that I replaced the factory computer with an rules legal Accel Calmap (however I don't have Woodro Josey's smarts on how to tune it, and no baseline was given for me to start out with like the V8's got to enjoy thanks to him)!

Like I said, I don't have yours or Billy Dees smarts, so that's a major strike against me, however, the last time I made a tuning change, it was worth .4 sec, so I'm heading in the right direction (if only I was closer to someone like Woodro Josey, or Craig Railsback at B.D.S., because they would set my calmap up straight). My question to you is did you have headers on your Cimarron? I recall in the '80's they made them for fwd cars with my engine...perhaps Billy Drevo had a set on his divisional event winning Citation...I know Linda Sherman had them on her Citation, because Randy Hyman bought her car, and it came with Hooker Headers. Moreover, since now you're calling my combo pud, go for it! I hope you do buy it! You have 4-5 wks to build it and convert it to an '86 's specs, which means (if it's a Cavalier), you'll have to get a flat hood (not cowl inducted), and cast iron heads. I hope you do get it, because as I also said, I'm not the only one you'll have to race against, and good luck trying to qualify to race me.

Honestly , I can't remember what Drevo had..Hooker did make them early on.
I had to build my own out of Hooker S10 pieces, in 1984..Worth about 3-4 tenths.
The Cimarrons were owned and built by Mike Senia's Global Coach and Armor, including the headers.
They really aren't that hard on a J car.. the rear one goes right down thru the exhaust tunnel.. The front one goes under the pan or off to the side and out in front of the tire.

[Bob Don]

Mark - I don't know if you remember but I did an article on FWD stockers for Super Stock magazine back in '87. For whatever reason, the article never made it to print but I still have my original copy. The article featured Bill Drevo, Bill Shurla/Mark Yacavone, Tom Kasch, and Mike Senia.

From the article, Drevo's Citation had modified Hooker headers. It held the record in BF/S at 14.81 @ 93.94.

[Mike Jones]

I bought the Wine Wagon in Sept 2011. We changed the cylinder head that was cracked (bone stock head on pass side, NHRA Legal head on drivers side). washed it out with kerosene and went to Island Dragway in Nov. 2011.
It hadn`t been raced in a decade K/SA was still on the window, and with a W.A. Lee Q-jet went .15 under.
Replaced both heads and got ready for 2012
I bought the car to go to points meets and have fun.
The car needed a roll bar to stay above M/SA.
Alan Peters jr. said put a two barrel on it and run O,Por Q
Started in O (13.15)
added 90lbs and made it into P (13:45)
Car is very consistent 60 foot
but it doesn`t like the heat, slowed up 2 to3 at E-town this year
went.67 under at the Dutch.
Its showing its age now, I will just keep up with the repairs rather than
ruin the patina.
So, I was lucky to have the opportunity to get into Stock with a turn key deal. even if it is a 2GC station wagon
I agree with all who wrote; it is easy on parts, consistent and competitive and inexpensive to maintain.
The real cost is travel, lodging, entry fee and fuel.
Happy Hunting.
Mike A114 P/SA

[Larry Munk]

Speed kills

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Honestly , I can't remember what Drevo had..Hooker did make them early on.
I had to build my own out of Hooker S10 pieces, in 1984..Worth about 3-4 tenths.
The Cimarrons were owned and built by Mike Senia's Global Coach and Armor, including the headers.
They really aren't that hard on a J car.. the rear one goes right down thru the exhaust tunnel.. The front one goes under the pan or off to the side and out in front of the tire.

Yeah, unless racer junk might discover someone who has them, then my only hope is to do what you did, and have them made from S10 pieces. Bummer...

However, at least now I'm competitive against the index with my factory manifolds until that time and the money comes....

[Terry Witzel]

There was an article in the July 1987 Super Chevy magazine about Drevo's Citation, it stated that the car had 'Modified Hooker Headers'. I used to look at that article all the time when I was thinking about building my Camaro with the original 2.8 V6, but I never went through with it, if it had been a stick I probably would have. Sorry about the poor pic, I really need a scanner.....