Ford CJ's and Mopar DP's NHRA is now on the case

Alex Denysenko · 10-04-2010, 12:05 PM

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Alan Roehrich · 10-04-2010, 01:35 PM

Well, I guess that's something. They used the excuse that it has happened before. The problem with that is that they didn't learn anything from it. They also brought up the 275HP LT-1 that they say is now at 325HP. That's 50HP over a period of 12-14 years. The one Drag Pack car has gotten near 40HP in a month or so, and that's great, I guess. But how far off does that tell you they are? The problem is, it has happened before, so they should be capable of seeing it coming, and doing something about it quickly.

While I can appreciate what they propose to do, add higher HP penalties for extreme cases, there's a huge hole in their process. They say they accept the ratings the OEM's give them. Now, GM, with the LT-1 got over them in the nineties. Now, Mopar and Ford have gotten over them repeatedly since 2008. How long does that go on? We're obviously going to be seeing new engines and new package cars for at least a while. How long is NHRA going to allow OEM's to get over on them, and thereby, get over on the racers? GM did it with the LT-1 years ago, I guess, and now Ford and Mopar have had their revenge. Now that all of the "big three" have gotten over on NHRA and the racers, isn't it time to stop this permanently?

NHRA has been there before, they've let this happen before. What does it say about them if they just continually allow it to happen? They could have already put the cars in their own class just as they did the fuel injected cars a few years ago. It's not like they've never seen anything like this before, nor is it like they've not had any experience fixing it. So, you have to wonder why they let it happen again. At least you do if you don't really know why.

Billy Pires · 10-04-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

They also brought up the 275HP LT-1 that they say is now at 325HP. That's 50HP over a period of 12-14 years.

I think what they meant was they adjusted to rating from 275 to 325 in one shot. it wasn't a gradual thing. The LT1 rating is 346 now. The FX classes seems like a good idea if they use 1 lb weight breaks like the FI classes were.

Ed Wright · 10-04-2010, 02:32 PM

Yes, but pull a low mileage LT1 and put it on an engine dyno, and you will find they don't make anywhere near 346 hp. I think some of that performance is a more efficient car.
I'd just about bet money on a 360" DP making close to 375.

Jeff Lee · 10-04-2010, 02:35 PM

Good article. Once a new AHFS scale is adapted then the CJ & DP teams will have to further reduce the throttle blade angle with the computer controlled TPS.

Andys dad · 10-04-2010, 04:20 PM

They are going to have a new heads up eliminator for the new cars (only) - with weight breaks depending on induction and cubic inch.

It will be a qualified 16 or 32 car field like Pro-Stock

The question is who do you think they are going to get rid of?

Have a very nice day

LOL

:-) peace

Chad Rhodes · 10-04-2010, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys dad

They are going to have a new heads up eliminator for the new cars (only) - with weight breaks depending on induction and cubic inch.

It will be a qualified 16 or 32 car field like Pro-Stock

The question is who do you think they are going to get rid of?

Have a very nice day

LOL

:-) peace

sounds like a great Comp Eliminator class

X-TECH MAN · 10-04-2010, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys dad

They are going to have a new heads up eliminator for the new cars (only) - with weight breaks depending on induction and cubic inch.

It will be a qualified 16 or 32 car field like Pro-Stock

The question is who do you think they are going to get rid of?

Have a very nice day

LOL
.
:-) peace

This would be a good idea if they get rid of the alcohol cars at the points races in the process.

Mike Fuller · 10-04-2010, 01:43 PM

After reading this article I still feel the best way to deal with these cars is to put them in a FX class. There is too many ways to get around the AHFS. If the drivers of these cars wanted to they could milk these HP ratings for 4-5 more years.

Another aspect of the whole situation is that the rule book states stock cars are"factory production assembled,showroom available,and in the hands of the general public. These cars do not follow those guidlines. We can still make everyone happy with the FX classes. The Factories will be more than happy to advertise these cars as "Factory race cars". It would probably draw a bigger customer and collector base.

10-04-2010, 12:05 PM	#1
Alex Denysenko Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Michigan City IN Posts: 633 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Ford CJ's and Mopar DP's NHRA is now on the case http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...ocksuper-stock __________________ Alex Denysenko NHRA 3038 SS, 3305 STK - IHRA 6 SS, 330A STK Moneymaker Racing LaPorte Indiana 219-861-1214 www.moneymakerracing.net

10-04-2010, 01:35 PM	#2
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,104 Likes: 1,560 Liked 1,784 Times in 407 Posts	Re: Ford CJ's and Mopar DP's NHRA is now on the case Well, I guess that's something. They used the excuse that it has happened before. The problem with that is that they didn't learn anything from it. They also brought up the 275HP LT-1 that they say is now at 325HP. That's 50HP over a period of 12-14 years. The one Drag Pack car has gotten near 40HP in a month or so, and that's great, I guess. But how far off does that tell you they are? The problem is, it has happened before, so they should be capable of seeing it coming, and doing something about it quickly. While I can appreciate what they propose to do, add higher HP penalties for extreme cases, there's a huge hole in their process. They say they accept the ratings the OEM's give them. Now, GM, with the LT-1 got over them in the nineties. Now, Mopar and Ford have gotten over them repeatedly since 2008. How long does that go on? We're obviously going to be seeing new engines and new package cars for at least a while. How long is NHRA going to allow OEM's to get over on them, and thereby, get over on the racers? GM did it with the LT-1 years ago, I guess, and now Ford and Mopar have had their revenge. Now that all of the "big three" have gotten over on NHRA and the racers, isn't it time to stop this permanently? NHRA has been there before, they've let this happen before. What does it say about them if they just continually allow it to happen? They could have already put the cars in their own class just as they did the fuel injected cars a few years ago. It's not like they've never seen anything like this before, nor is it like they've not had any experience fixing it. So, you have to wonder why they let it happen again. At least you do if you don't really know why. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

10-04-2010, 02:32 PM	#4
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Ford CJ's and Mopar DP's NHRA is now on the case Yes, but pull a low mileage LT1 and put it on an engine dyno, and you will find they don't make anywhere near 346 hp. I think some of that performance is a more efficient car. I'd just about bet money on a 360" DP making close to 375. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

10-04-2010, 02:35 PM	#5
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Ford CJ's and Mopar DP's NHRA is now on the case Good article. Once a new AHFS scale is adapted then the CJ & DP teams will have to further reduce the throttle blade angle with the computer controlled TPS. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

10-04-2010, 04:20 PM	#6
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Ford CJ's and Mopar DP's NHRA is now on the case They are going to have a new heads up eliminator for the new cars (only) - with weight breaks depending on induction and cubic inch. It will be a qualified 16 or 32 car field like Pro-Stock The question is who do you think they are going to get rid of? Have a very nice day LOL :-) peace __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

10-04-2010, 01:43 PM	#9
Mike Fuller Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 947 Likes: 551 Liked 192 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Ford CJ's and Mopar DP's NHRA is now on the case After reading this article I still feel the best way to deal with these cars is to put them in a FX class. There is too many ways to get around the AHFS. If the drivers of these cars wanted to they could milk these HP ratings for 4-5 more years. Another aspect of the whole situation is that the rule book states stock cars are"factory production assembled,showroom available,and in the hands of the general public. These cars do not follow those guidlines. We can still make everyone happy with the FX classes. The Factories will be more than happy to advertise these cars as "Factory race cars". It would probably draw a bigger customer and collector base. __________________ Mike Fuller 396 STK