What about STOCK ? - Page 8

KSA4300 · 08-08-2007, 11:50 AM

HAHAHA...I Like Clutchman!

Dick Butler · 08-08-2007, 12:09 PM

I second Clutchman

Lynn A McCarty · 08-08-2007, 01:17 PM

Has S/SS really changed that much? How much did it cost in todays dollars, for Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, or Chrysler to "show up" at Indy with special "approved" cars and parts like they did in the 60's? How could the average racer compete with the factory stockers back then?

A reprint of: Pontiac Muscle Car Performance, by Pete McCarthy (page 109) (see www.petemccarthy.com)

[...trouble was lurking in Detroit. Chevy released the 409, and Mopar was thinking about stuffing a full race 413 into the light Dodge and Plymouth bodies. Ford released the 406 in a stripped body shell. Just before the US Nationals drag race meet on Labor Day weekend in 1961, Pontiac stuck it to Ford and Chevy by announcing the "availability" of a new 421 SD package. According to Malcolm McKellar, the "availability" consisted of about a dozen engines shipped in pieces to Mickey Thompson, Arnie Beswick and a few others.

It was rated at a ridiculous 373 HP, a scant five horsepower increase of the 1961 389 SD engine. Hayden Proffitt, Mickey Thompson's driver, simply annihilated the competition in the new "Optional" Super Stock Class.

Shortly thereafter, NHRA officials put a stop to this type of factory sandbagging, and decreed that henceforward all Super Stock must be factory assembled and in the hands of the general public.

At this juncture, Pontiac announce the availability of the 389 SD and the 421 SD "Special Purpose" vehicles, and the fun soon began.]

Just food for thought.

Lynn

Mike Carr · 08-08-2007, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clutch man

Funny the people that are bitchin never win, or their cars are to slow to 2 step, and for the ones that want to get rid of the shoe polish try comp or just learn how to race and shut up. He won because of his 2 step, he won because of $ 5,000 heads, he won because his car shifts by itself, he won because of crew cheif pro, he won because biondo dialed him in, he won because we think his car is illegal, he won because he has alot of money, he won because his trailor is nicer than mine, he won because his car is painted better than mine,or I LOST BECAUSE I CANT DRIVE WORTH A CRAP AND LOOK FOR EXCUSES!

And the winner for Post Of The Year is....... ^^^^^^^^^^^

stockracer · 08-08-2007, 02:24 PM

I agree with clutch man... But why is he now the hero but im crazy when I say the same stuff?

Jim Wahl · 08-08-2007, 08:50 PM

OK, I'm gunna make this real simple so everybody can understand. It doesn't make a damn what the other guy has or doesn't have in his car. If you can dial your car better and react better than him..... win light in your lane. Slow car, fast car, it does not matter. As my dad used to say, it's the loose nut behind the wheel. Period! Now I'm not saying you should be able to jump into a car and win right off the bat. It takes seat time. If I raced more often than I do I might be able to win something to. I had a .004 package against Hidalgo at the SportsNats and thought that was good enough, it wasn't! The good guys have a lot more seat time than I ever will.Jim

tgriffith · 08-09-2007, 11:51 PM

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LouisJeffery · 08-11-2007, 10:12 PM

They've been called WHINERS because they don't believe in twosteps!
" " They care to preserve what little is left of Stock!
" " They want the CURRENT rules enforced!
" " They don't like made up combo's!
" " They won't shut up and take cheaters garbage!
Seems to me that this group called Whiners are a pretty honarable group of racers that care enough to comment on things they feel strongly about. I can only hope to be called a Whiner. I would believe the Whiners out number the " Don't question my combo, cheater parts, starting line nonsense Guys". Go ahead and attack my comment because I have Thick skin, a real name and I am a whiner. Louis Jeffery IHRA Stock 3225 Footbraker.

LouisJeffery · 08-12-2007, 01:00 AM

clutch man, I have already given you my name car # and IHRA affiliation. I have never won a stock race. I have competed in div.3 since 2003. My last stock race was Milan points meet July 14-15. I can tell from your posts that not only are you a Gentleman and a true sporstman you must be some Fantastic driver. Why not tell us your name and some of the big races you have won?

Chip THELEGEND Johnson · 08-12-2007, 09:31 AM

Nobody can use a delay box in stock because they check for them. Thats funny.

Nobody uses lightweight rods and pistons either.

The Matty box fiasco was just an urban legend too.

Never was Nitrous in Pro Stock. LOL

Ya'll are so funny.

Oops I gotta go I said I was done with this topic.

Chip

p.s.
I really don't think there are delay boxes in stock. I just wish the buttons would go away. Make it a true FOOTBRAKE class. If you need a button there are classes for them.

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KSA4300 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? HAHAHA...I Like Clutchman!

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Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? I second Clutchman

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Lynn A McCarty Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Plainfield (INDY) Indiana Posts: 468 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Has S/SS really changed that much? How much did it cost in todays dollars, for Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, or Chrysler to "show up" at Indy with special "approved" cars and parts like they did in the 60's? How could the average racer compete with the factory stockers back then? A reprint of: Pontiac Muscle Car Performance, by Pete McCarthy (page 109) (see www.petemccarthy.com) [...trouble was lurking in Detroit. Chevy released the 409, and Mopar was thinking about stuffing a full race 413 into the light Dodge and Plymouth bodies. Ford released the 406 in a stripped body shell. Just before the US Nationals drag race meet on Labor Day weekend in 1961, Pontiac stuck it to Ford and Chevy by announcing the "availability" of a new 421 SD package. According to Malcolm McKellar, the "availability" consisted of about a dozen engines shipped in pieces to Mickey Thompson, Arnie Beswick and a few others. It was rated at a ridiculous 373 HP, a scant five horsepower increase of the 1961 389 SD engine. Hayden Proffitt, Mickey Thompson's driver, simply annihilated the competition in the new "Optional" Super Stock Class. Shortly thereafter, NHRA officials put a stop to this type of factory sandbagging, and decreed that henceforward all Super Stock must be factory assembled and in the hands of the general public. At this juncture, Pontiac announce the availability of the 389 SD and the 421 SD "Special Purpose" vehicles, and the fun soon began.] Just food for thought. Lynn Last edited by Lynn A McCarty; 08-08-2007 at 01:20 PM.

08-08-2007, 02:24 PM	#75
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? I agree with clutch man... But why is he now the hero but im crazy when I say the same stuff?

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Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 669 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? OK, I'm gunna make this real simple so everybody can understand. It doesn't make a damn what the other guy has or doesn't have in his car. If you can dial your car better and react better than him..... win light in your lane. Slow car, fast car, it does not matter. As my dad used to say, it's the loose nut behind the wheel. Period! Now I'm not saying you should be able to jump into a car and win right off the bat. It takes seat time. If I raced more often than I do I might be able to win something to. I had a .004 package against Hidalgo at the SportsNats and thought that was good enough, it wasn't! The good guys have a lot more seat time than I ever will.Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

08-09-2007, 11:51 PM	#77
tgriffith Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? "" Last edited by tgriffith; 08-10-2007 at 12:24 AM.

08-11-2007, 10:12 PM	#78
LouisJeffery Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? They've been called WHINERS because they don't believe in twosteps! " " They care to preserve what little is left of Stock! " " They want the CURRENT rules enforced! " " They don't like made up combo's! " " They won't shut up and take cheaters garbage! Seems to me that this group called Whiners are a pretty honarable group of racers that care enough to comment on things they feel strongly about. I can only hope to be called a Whiner. I would believe the Whiners out number the " Don't question my combo, cheater parts, starting line nonsense Guys". Go ahead and attack my comment because I have Thick skin, a real name and I am a whiner. Louis Jeffery IHRA Stock 3225 Footbraker.

08-12-2007, 01:00 AM	#79
LouisJeffery Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? clutch man, I have already given you my name car # and IHRA affiliation. I have never won a stock race. I have competed in div.3 since 2003. My last stock race was Milan points meet July 14-15. I can tell from your posts that not only are you a Gentleman and a true sporstman you must be some Fantastic driver. Why not tell us your name and some of the big races you have won?

08-12-2007, 09:31 AM	#80
Chip THELEGEND Johnson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 284 Likes: 223 Liked 281 Times in 79 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Nobody can use a delay box in stock because they check for them. Thats funny. Nobody uses lightweight rods and pistons either. The Matty box fiasco was just an urban legend too. Never was Nitrous in Pro Stock. LOL Ya'll are so funny. Oops I gotta go I said I was done with this topic. Chip p.s. I really don't think there are delay boxes in stock. I just wish the buttons would go away. Make it a true FOOTBRAKE class. If you need a button there are classes for them.