What's wrong with Stock?

[Andys dad]

Originally Posted by FireSale

Just a note on language here.

I've heard the term Nostalgia used in connection with the "older" cars. In a lot of racing and collecting circles, referring to a vintage or classic muscle car as "nostalgia" will get you, um, shot.

Just saying'

Dale

Sorry my mistake - I thought the ANRA (American Nostalgia Racing Association) allowed 40 year old cars - LMFAO

[Andys dad]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

1. No one ever said anything about anyone running "factory stock", certainly I did not. You have a habit of being condescending and insulting. I did not misquote you on anything. No one else is claiming they're insulted. Just you.

2. I suggest you look up thread, where you specifically stated the old cars should get kicked out of Stock Eliminator and put in some sort of "nostalgia" class. I can point it out for you if you like.

Here, try your post, #17 in this thread:

3. Letters have already been written to NHRA, Ron. You chose to jump in this thread. Now you want to tell everyone whether or not they should comment, and how? Seems true to your form, since you said we should all be forced to mortgage our homes and spend our life savings to stay in the class. Of course, you'll deny that, too. See your post, #24 in this thread.

4. See #2 above, in this very thread you not only asked for older cars to be removed from the class, but stated we should all have to spend everything we have in order to compete. See your post, #24, in this thread.

5. I never called your decision dishonorable. You came out and bragged that you mortgaged your house and spent your life savings. I said it was your choice, one most of us would not make. I don't care what you do with your money. I do care if you try to force the rest of us to have to do it. Again, I call your attention to your post, #24, in this thread.

6. So, now you want me to come to the west coast to speak to you, because you spent all your money and can't come to the east coast. How amusing. Ask anyone who has met me, and there are plenty, I'll tell anyone face to face what I think. I haven't lost anything out west, if you wish to "confront' me, you can come east.

Ron, since you want to make this personal, I suggest you take it up with the owner of the site. I have not made any personal attacks, and I will not. Ken has offered us this site for polite and civil discussion, I will abide by his rules.

I never bragged - you consider it bragging when some one makes decisions you can not bring yourself to make.

Once again you are trying to engage me in a personal verbal argument on here - you act like a mad child lashing out and finding fault with all truth.

Never address the real issues.

I am not making it personal - stop attacking me personally - look at your words ..

I only wanted to discuss with you in person not on here - what I can afford to do is my business - I suspect you can not afford to come west either.

Now get off of here and watch the ESPN broadcast - this has been exactly what I thought it would be - very entertaining - that is all this website provides - entertainment.

Oh and most of all opinion.

I do not think it is your make up to just let it drop.

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

Originally Posted by Chris Hill

Agree 100% with Alan.

Only outspending your competition to win is a very hollow satisfaction.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to call our decal maker for my "P's & Q's". (Wonder if anyone will get that joke...)

Chris I have some Ps and Qs for the truck. Just can't have the As. Lmao. Congrats on indy!

[farmco r/sa]

Am I only dreaming is it possible to have as fair
a playing field as possible for old and new ???
I think the diversity of stock and super stock
is what makes it "way cool" to quote a sticker.
Indy had vehicles from 1955 to 2014 this year.
I think that is great. Would be boring to have
128 of the same vehicle. To quote someone
else "can't we all just get along ? "

[Chris Hill]

Originally Posted by Andys dad

Guess you will have to learn a little about how to play the game.

We have very good credentials "how to play the game."

Actually, decades of experience on the largest stage.

[Jim Wahl]

Alan said:

"The rules could stay the same with no problems. There was zero need to change the rules of Stock Eliminator due to "performance increases". New production street cars could have been listed in the guide and raced with no problems. And then the factory race cars could have been put in their own Factory Experimental class, where they belong."

The best paragraph in this whole thread. This sums it up perfectly. You just can not have a "no hold bared" group racing a heavily ruled group and expect equality. Ron, when did you become so confrontational? Damn! Jim

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[jmcarter]

Chris, suggest getting some "M" and "N"'s made up. Your Dad made some unprecedented runs and messed with NHRA's factory love-in.

Ron, I'm speechless...please don't sell a kidney so you can keep up with the new combinations.

[Glenn Hayes]

Originally Posted by stocker396

Word I have from the "ivory Tower of Glendora" is you are looking at the "NEW PRO STOCK" In the next 2 years Pro stock in its current formt will be replaced by the "Super Cars" NHRA needs to shake it up.

Has NHRA informed the current Pro Stock Teams of this?

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

No, NHRA needs to put factory experimental cars that were never built to drive on the street in their own class. Factory Experimental.

Stock was NEVER about cars that were never built to be legal to drive on the streets. That's why the Super Stock Hemi cars, and several other factory race cars, were not legal for Stock Eliminator. Even the most radical L-88 and ZL-1 cars had all street legal equipment, a VIN, and could be registered and insured with a regular title as they rolled off the show room floor. None of the new factory race cars can claim that, not one of them.

You want Stock Eliminator to fit your car, and the rest of the racers to find a new class.

Now Alan don't go and use logic......

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Andys dad

OK I am up -- got the kind of responses I expected. from the same three keyboard jockeys.

You guys do not want any change that impacts 40 year old cars.

How in the heck can the rules stand still with all that is going on in performance increases.

I wish we were in our own eliminator - but I do that would stop the whining.

At the end of the day - who really cares - it is not our game - it belongs to NHRA and the "big 3" - like it or not - it is about selling cars - not race cars.

Guys find someone to harp on that really cares - I just decided to break my pact with other late model fast car owners and address you guys - they were right - none of you would ever step up and ever agree with change - to stuck in the past.

Go to NHRA an get the rules changed - so far the old cars have been dismissed (mostly).

Say to NHRA formally what you are saying on here - which does not count.

Or maybe we should stop racing our cars to show our displeasure with how the 40 year old cars have been screwed.

Have a great rest of the holiday.



Ron

So now Alan's a keyboard jockey. Alan has some of if not the most intelligent posts on class racer. He is one of the few people on here that I enjoy reading his posts. One thing is clear he knows what he's talking about. All I'll say about new cars is this and I've said this before a few years ago in Baytown I talked to a new car owner in the lanes, I asked him how fast can this thing go. His response was well our last run was at 70% throttle and we shut of early and went -.98 under. That's all you need to know folks.