Why did you build your "slow" stock eliminator car?

[Floyd Staggs]

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose

Anyone here know whose ride this is...

Mike Lawless.

[Bobby Fazio]

Slow cars are like the Rocky Balboa's of Stock, always considered an underdog and everyone likes an underdog!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Sounds like a project to me! It's definitely do-able! Just don't go calling it a "dime rocket"!
Remember your rules, no front drives, no blowers.

Oh, I know that, Billy...but this is a "special situation"...if you know what I mean ;-)

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Oh, I know that, Billy...but this is a "special situation"...if you know what I mean ;-)

I understand completely.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

That's all that thing is now, 125hp? Jeez.
We ran 14.20's with the iron head Cimarron and a stick, over 20 years ago!
I think I'll get one of those things...

A second under for under a grand...What do you think, guys?
Anybody know of any out there?

Yeah, now I know who to thank for the wonderful horsepower factor. What year was your Cimarron anyway? I'm curious as to whether it was an original 120hp motor or not, and what type of fi. system it had

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Yeah, now I know who to thank for the wonderful horsepower factor. What year was your Cimarron anyway? I'm curious as to whether it was an original 120hp motor or not, and what type of fi. system it had

Darn it,Gary..You know I hate looking in those books.
Okay ...we're talking identical motors here Cavalier and Cimarron..Same specs .
Chevy, original 120 up to who knows what ...down to 125 ..thanks to you and 1-800-CRY-NHRA.
Caddy..130...up to 140 when we had one .Set the C/FS stick record @14.32, 90,, 8.97 in the eighth in 1992. ....Now down to 130 in '07.

FI system ? Whatever you have it's better than what we had ..if you have anything better than
stock OEM.
There's a nice '87 on C/L .Did you see it?...Little high on the money, but doesn't even need paint...hmmm

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Darn it,Gary..You know I hate looking in those books.
Okay ...we're talking identical motors here Cavalier and Cimarron..Same specs .
Chevy, original 120 up to who knows what ...down to 125 ..thanks to you and 1-800-CRY-NHRA.
Caddy..130...up to 140 when we had one .Set the C/FS stick record @14.32, 90,, 8.97 in the eighth in 1992. ....Now down to 130 in '07.

FI system ? Whatever you have it's better than what we had ..if you have anything better than
stock OEM.
There's a nice '87 on C/L .Did you see it?...Little high on the money, but doesn't even need paint...hmmm

You hate looking in books, and talk about 1-800-CRY-NHRA? HAH!!! Just because we had the same motor doesn't mean we had the same fi system, or the same heads. FYI, the '87 173 V6 came with aluminum heads (not cast iron like the '86 and California '85 versions (thus it's factory rating of 130hp). I don't have a better fi system than the Stock OEM system, I just have an Accel Calmap to allow for tuning adjustments...the fuel system is factory stock...wanna look? Be at the upcoming divisionals and you can see for yourself. If I'm going to look for any other car, it'll be a MOPAR, because that's what I was hoping to get before I crossed paths with my Cavalier, so no if I look for anything on C/L it'll be for headers, or a helmet, or slicks. I hope you do buy it (since you may be able to afford it). I should've kept my Plymouth Acclaim that I raced in 2000, because it was even more consistent than the Cavalier, and Mopar did a much better job of offering performance parts to hop them up than Chevy did. At least once I get another laptop to make tuning adjustments on my calmap, I'll give myself a chance to enhance the performance of my motor, so that once I get the funds to get a better cam, and hopefully headers, I'll finally make some progress to offset the index adjustments NHRA has made.

Go ahead Mark, I hope you do spend your money and buy that car...I'm not the only one you'll be able to race in stock, and remember the national event you won wasn't with a GM product, it was a Ford! If you want to spend your money on that go for it...different year, different heads, different fi system...knock yourself out! If I had Feb. '93 back, then I'd be going up to the front door of the owner of that '64 4dr Belvedere with a 318 and an automatic, and started talking to him about his car. What I've gone through (with my lack of yours or Billy Nees mechanical skill level), to try and make this combo competitive has been enough that I wouldn't do it again. I'd go with a combo that was befitting my mechanical training level (pre-'83)! However, I'm still competitive with this car, and I don't have to frequently work on it, so that's why I'm glad I have it. When the funds come, I know who to go to for making the car go quicker, and they'll see me!

No one has one a national event, or an NHRA Divisional race with a GM product, so those milestones are still out there, and as long as my car keeps plugging along, I'm going for it. If you want to try and beat me to those feats, bring it...I'll be waiting for you, but remember this...SO WILL THE OTHER STOCKER RACERS !!!!

Oh and after seeing the latest hp listings on the NHRA website, know this...in order for your combo to change my combo's factor, you'll have to run the exact year and engine combo that I run...happy hunting....lol

[Jack McCarthy]

if YAC builds one it will run -1.00... or he wont mess with it.

captain

if billy builds it it will run -1.25 under for less money

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

You hate looking in books, and talk about 1-800-CRY-NHRA? HAH!!! Just because we had the same motor doesn't mean we had the same fi system, or the same heads. FYI, the '87 173 V6 came with aluminum heads (not cast iron like the '86 and California '85 versions (thus it's factory rating of 130hp). I don't have a better fi system than the Stock OEM system, I just have an Accel Calmap to allow for tuning adjustments...the fuel system is factory stock...wanna look? Be at the upcoming divisionals and you can see for yourself. If I'm going to look for any other car, it'll be a MOPAR, because that's what I was hoping to get before I crossed paths with my Cavalier, so no if I look for anything on C/L it'll be for headers, or a helmet, or slicks. I hope you do buy it (since you may be able to afford it). I should've kept my Plymouth Acclaim that I raced in 2000, because it was even more consistent than the Cavalier, and Mopar did a much better job of offering performance parts to hop them up than Chevy did. At least once I get another laptop to make tuning adjustments on my calmap, I'll give myself a chance to enhance the performance of my motor, so that once I get the funds to get a better cam, and hopefully headers, I'll finally make some progress to offset the index adjustments NHRA has made.

Go ahead Mark, I hope you do spend your money and buy that car...I'm not the only one you'll be able to race in stock, and remember the national event you won wasn't with a GM product, it was a Ford! If you want to spend your money on that go for it...different year, different heads, different fi system...knock yourself out! If I had Feb. '93 back, then I'd be going up to the front door of the owner of that '64 4dr Belvedere with a 318 and an automatic, and started talking to him about his car. What I've gone through (with my lack of yours or Billy Nees mechanical skill level), to try and make this combo competitive has been enough that I wouldn't do it again. I'd go with a combo that was befitting my mechanical training level (pre-'83)! However, I'm still competitive with this car, and I don't have to frequently work on it, so that's why I'm glad I have it. When the funds come, I know who to go to for making the car go quicker, and they'll see me!

No one has one a national event, or an NHRA Divisional race with a GM product, so those milestones are still out there, and as long as my car keeps plugging along, I'm going for it. If you want to try and beat me to those feats, bring it...I'll be waiting for you, but remember this...SO WILL THE OTHER STOCKER RACERS !!!!

Oh and after seeing the latest hp listings on the NHRA website, know this...in order for your combo to change my combo's factor, you'll have to run the exact year and engine combo that I run...happy hunting....lol

Oh I'd change that car to an '86 in a heartbeat...I wanna run the same exact pud combo you have..


Again ,you brought up f.i. system..not the fuel system.
Like I said... If you have aftermarket anything (Accel) then you have more than we had ..
We had nothing but GM parts in the fuel system ,...and in the f. i. system...and we had the exact same iron cylinder heads and FI that you have Okay? Got it?

Bill Drevo won an NHRA divisional at Suffolk in 1985 with his 173 2.8 X-11 Citation..so you can forget about doing that first too.

This one's ready for the jury....

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

if YAC builds one it will run -1.00... or he wont mess with it.

captain

if billy builds it it will run -1.25 under for less money

10-4 on the less money, Jacko...Krylon is up over $3.00 and I use a lot of it