Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Jeff,
I'm using the quotes the same as you are. You have mentioned negotiating many times now and I'm trying my best to point out to you that Graham Light and his staff said they accepted the numbers that Ford gave them. There were no negotiations according to them. Sure some folks had to communicate at some level to get the cars in the sheets but the power figures were produced by Ford. nhra didn't get suckered. They claim in their letters they knew exactly what was going on from the beginning. Most of us don't see a conspiracy - we see collusion.

I guess I spoke to the "other" staff @ NHRA Tech this week and was told the HP numbers went higher after NHRA initially said "no". I don't know about you, but in my world, that's negotiating.
So what is your point?

This "collusion" is it there to make the sport, what, better...worse? Did Grahm Light get together with Ford & Chrysler and determine the best way to get rid of S/SS was to allow these ringers in and everybody would be forced to either buy one or get out of the sport? What was the collusion all about?

IHRA already tried to make it an all Pro event and that didn't work. I don't think that has been lost on Grahm Light or anybody else at NHRA.
As you try to dig up the past on an NHRA vote in the '70's or '80's trying to show collusion or conspiracy you have the rare opportunity to prove the same with the DP/CJ conspiracy or collusion (which I would be hard pressed to define the difference but apparently to you there is so have at it).

I'm desperately waiting for my car to get done. It's been way to long out of commission and things have changed in my life and in NHRA. But that doesn't make me want to run scared or sell off the car. I will build the best possible car and the chips fall where the chips fall. I might loose to a CJ/DP in a heads-up but the odds are, and I predict shall remain, that the likely hood of running into one in eliminations will be next to nill.

In my conversation with NHRA, I predicted the fastest ever correction curve on the AHFS. These DP/CJ cars have more ego behind them than NHRA has seen in decades. I believe the LT-1/LS-1 racers kept each other at bay. Not so with this group. Sure wish I would have saved my prediction for the CJ Stock class cars. It's somewhere on ClassRacer but I believe I called for somewhere around 9.60's @ 138 before they even hit the track. Point is, none of this comes as a surprise to me and I'm still putting money into my car.

[Bruce Noland]

The point is I have letters from the so-called bosses that contradict what you're posting.

[Jeff Lee]

Then I'm a liar? Again, so what's your point? Exactly what does it matter if the HP was negotiated or not; all that matters is the HP was assigned to the books and off to the races they went.

You still haven't answered what the point of this conspiracy, er, collusion is. And once you discover the truth upon which you are seeking, then what?

[Sean Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

ED The new Super CJ motor would be well over 4000 pounds in GT/AA. I think GT/AA is safe (this week).

Sorry Chad for the spelling mistake.

I agree some of these new HP’s are way out of line and something needs to be done. But that is NHRA problem not Ford and Chrysler. You can’t blame racers for following NHRA rules.

Dgal Rules change with the times. We all don’t run stock cams anymore do we?

Sorry I can’t spend anymore time with you clown's tonight I must get back to work on my new CJ.



Chuck D just following the rules set by NHRA

I guess I'm one of these 'clowns'. So answer me this......

Would you bring a nuclear weapon to a waterfight? After you won, would you feel proud? Because that is about the equivalent of a CJ in stock eliminator.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

Then I'm a liar? Again, so what's your point? Exactly what does it matter if the HP was negotiated or not; all that matters is the HP was assigned to the books and off to the races they went.

You still haven't answered what the point of this conspiracy, er, collusion is. And once you discover the truth upon which you are seeking, then what?

A liar no. But most probably misinformed. All the nhra executives involved could be spinning their butts off. Then again it could be a simple case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. The nhra members have been screwed no matter how it happened. Even with your heavy brand loyality you can understand how this debacle has hurt the sport..

Collusion is very simply a private agreement between two or more parties to commit an illegal act. A civil act in this case. Nobody in the real world believes nhra made this deal with the OEM's unless it benefited them. We believe nhra and OEM's intentionally made deals that would benefit their respective corporations to the detriment of the member racers and possibly some of the major contingency sponsors as well. The above information is a very small part of a much larger file and is only peanuts compared to the real problems that nhra has. We'll see how it all turns out in the future. We hope all members will benefit from the results of this work.

[Charley Downing]

Sean I don't like fighting so I would never be involved in a water fight. But I think it’s more like a shotgun vs. bow and arrow.

This is my question to you. How many people race the same car for 25 plus years? Not very many, you know why? Because that are always looking for a better combo to improve their advantage. That is what this class is made of, people looking for a class which they can have an advantage over there competitor. This has not changed for 50 years. These new cars are just a little softer then in past years.

[JSLRacing]

I'm gonna still build my car and come out.. I have never been scared of a race and never will..

I don't have the money to build an A through 3 Stock anyways.. but I do feel for the guys in these classes. Heads up will suck.

I can't wait until I put on a trailer though in eliminations..that will make my day..

Just cause that have money doesn't mean they can cut a light and run the number..

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

A liar no. But most probably misinformed. All the nhra executives involved could be spinning their butts off. Then again it could be a simple case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. The nhra members have been screwed no matter how it happened. Even with your heavy brand loyality you can understand how this debacle has hurt the sport..

Collusion is very simply a private agreement between two or more parties to commit an illegal act. A civil act in this case. Nobody in the real world believes nhra made this deal with the OEM's unless it benefited them. We believe nhra and OEM's intentionally made deals that would benefit their respective corporations to the detriment of the member racers and possibly some of the major contingency sponsors as well. The above information is a very small part of a much larger file and is only peanuts compared to the real problems that nhra has. We'll see how it all turns out in the future. We hope all members will benefit from the results of this work.

Well I guess it would be possible the left doesn't know about the right and if your having direct communication with Grahm Light that would trump my conversation with the S/SS Committee Chairman this last week.

So I suppose when you say "we", there is a group and it looks like a big lawsuit is in the making with your group vs. NHRA. Since I assume your group must have a winning attitude and can endure the cost of litigation, what then will be your course of action?

And brand loyalty? LOL! Yes I like the AMX but with only a handful in action, it sure wouldn't make much sense to think there is an advantage in having one! And I see a DP 5.9 falls right into my SS class.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

Well I guess it would be possible the left doesn't know about the right and if your having direct communication with Grahm Light that would trump my conversation with the S/SS Committee Chairman this last week.

So I suppose when you say "we", there is a group and it looks like a big lawsuit is in the making with your group vs. NHRA. Since I assume your group must have a winning attitude and can endure the cost of litigation, what then will be your course of action?

And brand loyalty? LOL! Yes I like the AMX but with only a handful in action, it sure wouldn't make much sense to think there is an advantage in having one! And I see a DP 5.9 falls right into my SS class.

Well said Jeff

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

Well I guess it would be possible the left doesn't know about the right and if your having direct communication with Grahm Light that would trump my conversation with the S/SS Committee Chairman this last week.

So I suppose when you say "we", there is a group and it looks like a big lawsuit is in the making with your group vs. NHRA. Since I assume your group must have a winning attitude and can endure the cost of litigation, what then will be your course of action?

And brand loyalty? LOL! Yes I like the AMX but with only a handful in action, it sure wouldn't make much sense to think there is an advantage in having one! And I see a DP 5.9 falls right into my SS class.

Yes, I am a member of a group of people who are attempting to reverse some of nhra's more egregious actions. Like nhra taking away our membership rights. Sitting on our hands is not an option for us. We don't buy this mighty nhra nonsense.

There are many ways to resolve problems here in the good old US of A. Like seeking assistance from government agencies that have jurisdiciton over these organizations. There is no need to file lawsuits, but we would win if we decided to go that route. nhra does have a pretty bad record when it comes to major lawsuits. The Pro Stock Truck racers scared nhra so badly that it refused to provide any court ordered documentation about itself and opted to make a large payment to the PST racers instead. The spanking by the PST racers proved that nhra has many problems when it comes to litigation. And believe me it was a real down home spanking!

It's nice to know that your brand loyalty is reserved for AMX. Many people thought you had been fooled into believing that nhra was really trying to help the members.