62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction - Page 7

Aubrey N Bruneau · 07-27-2007, 11:45 AM

That was GREAT, RallyeBob... learned all kinds of 8 cylinder words and everything !
HEEE HEEEE !!!

Dave, Mikes car is a Super Stock... I think he has an aftermarket 4 link

BTW, I got the ride height down, and did some measurements. It's better, but no where NEAR ideal.

gymracer01 · 07-27-2007, 06:35 PM

I been thinking a lot about your 62 since I sent you a PM yesterday. I know guys that ran well in the day of these cars that did very little to the rear suspensions. Now I realize we have much better tires and a better clutch setup. These cars didn't seem to be so bad with a good set of tires and some shocks and maybe an airbag. It was soon realized that hard bushings and raising the mounting point of the top bar at the rear was the hot setup. Are you sure the front is working correctly. In the day everyone loosened up all the front end and the things nearly drug the rear bumper, but got weight transfer. Just some thoughts, I think you are getting there.
Jim N.

Aubrey N Bruneau · 08-01-2007, 12:26 PM

First, I'd like to thank everybody who advised me here...
I listened to all, and am applying what I am aloud to !

I must admit, I was just about ready to give up. Car has been jinxed !
EVERYTHING going wrong lately !
Have an engine miss that seems to be getting progressively worse. Concerned that it could be electrical system being over-taxed by the new "big" fuel pump, electric water pump and electric fan... with my stupid alternator not working.
Seems to still be really lean too. Don't get THAT ? Same carbs I ran before.

AS for traction, it appears that I may be getting there !
Raised the front about 3/4", and lowered rear a bit ( not enough yet ).
On cold slicks, for the first time, I felt that "jump" effect of a drag car !
FINALLY got a hint of atmosphere under the front tires.

I'm going to bring the rear down another inch. Car will still sit with some forward rake.

thanks again, people

Aubrey

NovaMan · 08-01-2007, 04:28 PM

Glad you're finally getting some traction.

BillyShope · 08-03-2007, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHRAstocker409

Billy, thank you very much for taking the time in here !
My confusion is partly induced by terminology. I'm not an experienced drag racer.
A few drawings, indicating the fundamental desired geometry ( desired angles / measurements ), in a couple different settings... indicating what "this" setting would change. Evidentally, I can't read too well, so pictures would REALLY help !

As a result of your comments...and others similar...I've completely rearranged my site and added, on the home page, a "Getting Started" tutorial with 13 pictures. In effect, I've attempted to cram the engineering student's sophomore year onto one page!

Hope it helps.

Aubrey N Bruneau · 08-03-2007, 09:42 PM

Maybe ( likely ? ) I'm missing something, Billy ?
The diagrams helped though.

Jack McCarthy · 08-05-2007, 01:09 PM

questions aubrey...

what did you do with the 2 piece driveshaft ??
two upper links mounted at what position and hieght??
solid bushings all ??
rear locator bar used ?? fixed or floating ??
why was ballast bolted on rear crossmember frowned upon ??
spare tire & related fixtures used in trunk ??
rear bumper original ??
rear seat in place / factory ??
front bench seat / factory ??

what class does the wagon fit with the 409 4 speed ??? THAT would be a HOOT !!!!

jack mccarthy usa3609@aol.com

p.s. i get a couple inches of "atmosphere" in my u/sa wagon...
but better weight distribution helps... 1790 / 2650 = 4470

Aubrey N Bruneau · 08-05-2007, 08:38 PM

ALL the questions, Jack !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

questions aubrey...

what did you do with the 2 piece driveshaft ??... Designed and built my own modified version.

two upper links mounted at what position and hieght??... 2 1/2" higher than the stock mount on top of housing.
http://www.bruneauperformance.ca/62b...racerearlf.jpg

solid bushings all ?? Yes

rear locator bar used ?? fixed or floating ??... Panhard bar ? ... stock... dead on.

why was ballast bolted on rear crossmember frowned upon ??... The weight ended up being below the height of the centre of gravity of the car. Actually unloaded the tires when the rear dropped down.

spare tire & related fixtures used in trunk ??... nothing. but a battery.
http://www.bruneauperformance.ca/mybelairtrunk.jpg

rear bumper original ??... completely.

rear seat in place / factory ??... removed for roll bar installation. Steel sheet fit in place, carpeted.
http://www.bruneauperformance.ca/rol...talledrear.jpg

front bench seat / factory ??... bone stock ( needs recovering ! ), positioned one notch up from furthest back.

what class does the wagon fit with the 409 4 speed ??? THAT would be a HOOT !!!!...
well, in 63, the engine I believe is rated at 410 HP ( higher lift cam profile ).
Lightest that car could be, is about 4050 pounds. So I guess E Stock.

jack mccarthy usa3609@aol.com

Woodro Josey · 08-05-2007, 08:50 PM

There is a guy in Atlanta that has been racing 60's Chevrolet's with 409 Plus Cubic Inch engines since day one. His Name is Lamar Walden, he is still Nostalgie racing those cars. I might can get his number if you'd like to call him!

Bub Whitaker · 08-05-2007, 09:25 PM

Woodro...Could you elaborate on the approx date of Day one ???

07-27-2007, 11:45 AM	#61
Aubrey N Bruneau Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Eastern Alberta, Canada Posts: 311 Likes: 6 Liked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction That was GREAT, RallyeBob... learned all kinds of 8 cylinder words and everything ! HEEE HEEEE !!! Dave, Mikes car is a Super Stock... I think he has an aftermarket 4 link BTW, I got the ride height down, and did some measurements. It's better, but no where NEAR ideal. __________________ Aubrey N Bruneau 6409 C/S 62 BelAir sport coupe, 409 HP 409

07-27-2007, 06:35 PM	#62
gymracer01 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Middle Tennesse Posts: 46 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction I been thinking a lot about your 62 since I sent you a PM yesterday. I know guys that ran well in the day of these cars that did very little to the rear suspensions. Now I realize we have much better tires and a better clutch setup. These cars didn't seem to be so bad with a good set of tires and some shocks and maybe an airbag. It was soon realized that hard bushings and raising the mounting point of the top bar at the rear was the hot setup. Are you sure the front is working correctly. In the day everyone loosened up all the front end and the things nearly drug the rear bumper, but got weight transfer. Just some thoughts, I think you are getting there. Jim N.

08-01-2007, 12:26 PM	#63
Aubrey N Bruneau Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Eastern Alberta, Canada Posts: 311 Likes: 6 Liked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Traction Getting Better ! First, I'd like to thank everybody who advised me here... I listened to all, and am applying what I am aloud to ! I must admit, I was just about ready to give up. Car has been jinxed ! EVERYTHING going wrong lately ! Have an engine miss that seems to be getting progressively worse. Concerned that it could be electrical system being over-taxed by the new "big" fuel pump, electric water pump and electric fan... with my stupid alternator not working. Seems to still be really lean too. Don't get THAT ? Same carbs I ran before. AS for traction, it appears that I may be getting there ! Raised the front about 3/4", and lowered rear a bit ( not enough yet ). On cold slicks, for the first time, I felt that "jump" effect of a drag car ! FINALLY got a hint of atmosphere under the front tires. I'm going to bring the rear down another inch. Car will still sit with some forward rake. thanks again, people Aubrey __________________ Aubrey N Bruneau 6409 C/S 62 BelAir sport coupe, 409 HP 409

08-01-2007, 04:28 PM	#64
NovaMan Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 117 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction Glad you're finally getting some traction. __________________ ~Pete 1970 Nova

08-03-2007, 09:42 PM	#66
Aubrey N Bruneau Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Eastern Alberta, Canada Posts: 311 Likes: 6 Liked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction Maybe ( likely ? ) I'm missing something, Billy ? The diagrams helped though. __________________ Aubrey N Bruneau 6409 C/S 62 BelAir sport coupe, 409 HP 409

08-05-2007, 01:09 PM	#67
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction questions aubrey... what did you do with the 2 piece driveshaft ?? two upper links mounted at what position and hieght?? solid bushings all ?? rear locator bar used ?? fixed or floating ?? why was ballast bolted on rear crossmember frowned upon ?? spare tire & related fixtures used in trunk ?? rear bumper original ?? rear seat in place / factory ?? front bench seat / factory ?? what class does the wagon fit with the 409 4 speed ??? THAT would be a HOOT !!!! jack mccarthy usa3609@aol.com p.s. i get a couple inches of "atmosphere" in my u/sa wagon... but better weight distribution helps... 1790 / 2650 = 4470 __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain" Last edited by Jack McCarthy; 08-05-2007 at 01:11 PM.

08-05-2007, 08:50 PM	#69
Woodro Josey Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 805 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction, Aubrey There is a guy in Atlanta that has been racing 60's Chevrolet's with 409 Plus Cubic Inch engines since day one. His Name is Lamar Walden, he is still Nostalgie racing those cars. I might can get his number if you'd like to call him! __________________ Woodro Josey 2002 STK

08-05-2007, 09:25 PM	#70
Bub Whitaker Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dayton, MD Posts: 222 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction Woodro...Could you elaborate on the approx date of Day one ???