Today's cost to build a stocker ? - Page 7

goinbroke2 · 12-12-2013, 02:27 PM

Talking about young people is a bit of a tangent but, there are lots of "young" guys dropping HUGE freaking money into cars. I agree that the guide has to be updated, but not neccessarily to include imports(Honda and mitsu are already there), but to include everything built.
Here is the guide, look at the latest year and more importantly, note that in the last few years the only vehicle available is the company's flagship. (ford and chev both go to 2013 but only for cobra jet and camaro, dodge goes to 2011 but only challenger)
AMC latest year 84
Buick 1997
Caddy 1990
Chev 2013 (camaro only)
Chrysler 2004
Dodge 2011 (challenger only)
Ford 2013 (mustang only)
Honda 2007
Mitsubishi 1991
Olds 2004
Opel 1974
Plymouth 2000
Pontiac 2008
Saturn 2008

So, you want to build a stocker? Either pony up $$$ for a new CJ or camaro/challenger or buy an "old" car (2008 or older) and restore it then build it.
THAT is the problem as I see it.
How about a new ford/chev/dodge fwd or awd 4/6cyl? The common question when trying to convince people to try is "where would my car fit"? Well, unless it's in the guide, IT DON'T! Maybe somebody doesn't want to build a 2009 fusion or cobalt, but would it really hurt to list all the vehicles?

I see a 74 torino for sale, I look in the guide to see how it fits etc. If it was like this back then, it wouldn't even be in the guide!

Now, back on topic...I have no idea what it will cost to build my crate but it will be as cheap as possible, for better or worse. (probably worse! LOL)

Dan Fahey · 12-12-2013, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HandOverFist

You have but to look at the Stock Car Classification guide...there are no slots for their cars.

Thank you..
Well said !

D

James Perrone · 12-12-2013, 03:28 PM

Kid don't race or do outdoor stuff ..like ride a bike go play some ball .They rather play stupid video games ..also if you don't buy it for the kid a car they wont race.
By the way Dan nhra tried running the jap cars in there own ..Dead JUST like PURE STOCK. ... JUST BUILD A REAL STOCKER...waters warm

Ed Wright · 12-12-2013, 03:32 PM

Many don't like a lot of rules. Test n tune night when I'm testing something several kids with F body cars come over to look at it and ask questions. "Why don't you...." Fill in the blank. I tell them rules don't allow that. Invariably they will say "You have too many rules, not enough freedom to "mod" ( internet speak) my car."

HandOverFist · 12-12-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by James Perrone

Kid don't race or do outdoor stuff ..like ride a bike go play some ball .They rather play stupid video games ..also if you don't buy it for the kid a car they wont race.
By the way Dan nhra tried running the jap cars in there own ..Dead JUST like PURE STOCK. ... JUST BUILD A REAL STOCKER...waters warm

Pretty broad statement there. My niece is a rock climber and I'm pretty sure she could beat both of us down...at the same time lol. Btw, I'm sixtey years old and I play video games on the pc.

TinSoldier 3215 · 12-12-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ed wright

many don't like a lot of rules. Test n tune night when i'm testing something several kids with f body cars come over to look at it and ask questions. "why don't you...." fill in the blank. I tell them rules don't allow that. Invariably they will say "you have too many rules, not enough freedom to "mod" ( internet speak) my car."

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Ed Wright · 12-12-2013, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by James Perrone

Kid don't race or do outdoor stuff ..like ride a bike go play some ball .They rather play stupid video games ..also if you don't buy it for the kid a car they wont race.
By the way Dan nhra tried running the jap cars in there own ..Dead JUST like PURE STOCK. ... JUST BUILD A REAL STOCKER...waters warm

James is correct. All counts.
Ricer thing died in a short length of time. Low car counts, and like a second spread in qualifying sheets. Their qualifying sheets always drew a lot of chuckles.
Best part was the wet tee shirt contests. LOL!

Ed Carpenter · 12-12-2013, 04:49 PM

Always thought my son would build his 70 Nova into a stocker but he is a dirt track racer. He says more fun and ALOT cheaper. He says I'm crazy with how much I spend on racing. Only way he will be drag racing is if I let him behind the wheel of mine.

JRyan · 12-12-2013, 07:31 PM

I just recently in the last two seasons finished up a small block Nova. We started with a car that was in fairly decent shape initially. I spent several years putting it together. It has pretty decent parts all the way around however it is not complete top of the line by any stretch of the imagination. So far we have run between .5-.6 under with it. There is a little more in it with playing around with different things as we only have three weekends on the car. So I figure we should be able to run about .7 under when it's all said and done. I'm into the car for approx. $27k. We did virtually everything ourselves except the rear end and cage. We did all the body work and engine work. However, we could have done things a little cheaper but it has all new chrome on the car along with pretty much all new interior, weather stripping, and some other pieces just to make it nice.

Now to get to getting younger people involved in our class. Personally, I don't think it's going to happen unless the parent gets involved as well. I'm one of this younger generation (31). Not many younger generation have an extra $30-40k to build a car or even $15-20 to buy a decent car. Plus you have to still have a vehicle and trailer to get the car to the track. Another added expense.

Secondly, if my generation is interested and have some money to play with why would they spend that kind of money to run high 10's to high 11's. When they can build something as fast or faster for less and use it almost as a daily driver.
I'm looking at putting together a late 70's early 80's Malibu for the street. It's going to be a virtually stock bottom end 6.0l LS series engine with a single front mount turbo. I should have less then $15k in the whole car when I'm done and it should be able to run in the 9s and I can drive it almost everyday on pump gas. Now I love stock and super stock. I love the rules and work that goes into the class. However, it's pretty hard explaining to my friends why my car has $30k into it and runs low mid 11's when there going faster for half the money. They aren't stupid. But they sure think we are. Unfortunately, our classes have out grown the average persons available income for the most part. I know if we couldn't do all of it ourselves I sure wouldn't be running a stock or super stock car.

Just my .02 for what it's worth.
Rick Ryan

Mike Gray · 12-12-2013, 08:02 PM

New racers probably shouldn't be starting out in Stock or Super Stock, it should be the end goal. We should encourage new racers to try brackets or super street first. They can get their feet wet and experience racing for relatively low cost. I built my first super street car for $8K. I moved up to super gas and had a low 9's car for $20K. Now I'm building a $40K car to run mid 10's. Why, because there is a certain allure to running a competitive car within the rules. Anyone can build a car to run the .90's classes, just get a big enough engine. I think Stock and Super Stock are a step up and it's the last step I can afford.

12-12-2013, 02:27 PM	#61
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 884 Likes: 1,564 Liked 380 Times in 147 Posts	Re: Today's cost to build a stocker ? Talking about young people is a bit of a tangent but, there are lots of "young" guys dropping HUGE freaking money into cars. I agree that the guide has to be updated, but not neccessarily to include imports(Honda and mitsu are already there), but to include everything built. Here is the guide, look at the latest year and more importantly, note that in the last few years the only vehicle available is the company's flagship. (ford and chev both go to 2013 but only for cobra jet and camaro, dodge goes to 2011 but only challenger) AMC latest year 84 Buick 1997 Caddy 1990 Chev 2013 (camaro only) Chrysler 2004 Dodge 2011 (challenger only) Ford 2013 (mustang only) Honda 2007 Mitsubishi 1991 Olds 2004 Opel 1974 Plymouth 2000 Pontiac 2008 Saturn 2008 So, you want to build a stocker? Either pony up $$$ for a new CJ or camaro/challenger or buy an "old" car (2008 or older) and restore it then build it. THAT is the problem as I see it. How about a new ford/chev/dodge fwd or awd 4/6cyl? The common question when trying to convince people to try is "where would my car fit"? Well, unless it's in the guide, IT DON'T! Maybe somebody doesn't want to build a 2009 fusion or cobalt, but would it really hurt to list all the vehicles? I see a 74 torino for sale, I look in the guide to see how it fits etc. If it was like this back then, it wouldn't even be in the guide! Now, back on topic...I have no idea what it will cost to build my crate but it will be as cheap as possible, for better or worse. (probably worse! LOL)

12-12-2013, 03:28 PM	#63
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,669 Likes: 3,359 Liked 1,803 Times in 422 Posts	Re: Today's cost to build a stocker ? Kid don't race or do outdoor stuff ..like ride a bike go play some ball .They rather play stupid video games ..also if you don't buy it for the kid a car they wont race. By the way Dan nhra tried running the jap cars in there own ..Dead JUST like PURE STOCK. ... JUST BUILD A REAL STOCKER...waters warm __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

12-12-2013, 03:32 PM	#64
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Today's cost to build a stocker ? Many don't like a lot of rules. Test n tune night when I'm testing something several kids with F body cars come over to look at it and ask questions. "Why don't you...." Fill in the blank. I tell them rules don't allow that. Invariably they will say "You have too many rules, not enough freedom to "mod" ( internet speak) my car." __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-12-2013, 04:49 PM	#68
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Today's cost to build a stocker ? Always thought my son would build his 70 Nova into a stocker but he is a dirt track racer. He says more fun and ALOT cheaper. He says I'm crazy with how much I spend on racing. Only way he will be drag racing is if I let him behind the wheel of mine. __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

12-12-2013, 07:31 PM	#69
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Today's cost to build a stocker ? I just recently in the last two seasons finished up a small block Nova. We started with a car that was in fairly decent shape initially. I spent several years putting it together. It has pretty decent parts all the way around however it is not complete top of the line by any stretch of the imagination. So far we have run between .5-.6 under with it. There is a little more in it with playing around with different things as we only have three weekends on the car. So I figure we should be able to run about .7 under when it's all said and done. I'm into the car for approx. $27k. We did virtually everything ourselves except the rear end and cage. We did all the body work and engine work. However, we could have done things a little cheaper but it has all new chrome on the car along with pretty much all new interior, weather stripping, and some other pieces just to make it nice. Now to get to getting younger people involved in our class. Personally, I don't think it's going to happen unless the parent gets involved as well. I'm one of this younger generation (31). Not many younger generation have an extra $30-40k to build a car or even $15-20 to buy a decent car. Plus you have to still have a vehicle and trailer to get the car to the track. Another added expense. Secondly, if my generation is interested and have some money to play with why would they spend that kind of money to run high 10's to high 11's. When they can build something as fast or faster for less and use it almost as a daily driver. I'm looking at putting together a late 70's early 80's Malibu for the street. It's going to be a virtually stock bottom end 6.0l LS series engine with a single front mount turbo. I should have less then $15k in the whole car when I'm done and it should be able to run in the 9s and I can drive it almost everyday on pump gas. Now I love stock and super stock. I love the rules and work that goes into the class. However, it's pretty hard explaining to my friends why my car has $30k into it and runs low mid 11's when there going faster for half the money. They aren't stupid. But they sure think we are. Unfortunately, our classes have out grown the average persons available income for the most part. I know if we couldn't do all of it ourselves I sure wouldn't be running a stock or super stock car. Just my .02 for what it's worth. Rick Ryan

12-12-2013, 08:02 PM	#70
Mike Gray Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 615 Likes: 309 Liked 685 Times in 196 Posts	Re: Today's cost to build a stocker ? New racers probably shouldn't be starting out in Stock or Super Stock, it should be the end goal. We should encourage new racers to try brackets or super street first. They can get their feet wet and experience racing for relatively low cost. I built my first super street car for $8K. I moved up to super gas and had a low 9's car for $20K. Now I'm building a $40K car to run mid 10's. Why, because there is a certain allure to running a competitive car within the rules. Anyone can build a car to run the .90's classes, just get a big enough engine. I think Stock and Super Stock are a step up and it's the last step I can afford.