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[C and W Racing]

Originally Posted by boster

Cicero , Davey does need to cheat he is one of the best driver in the business . Don't insult someone you no nothing about . Keep those thoughts in your neck of the woods


Friend of Dave Connolly

Bo,you may want to re edit your post. You do realize you said that he needs to cheat. Lol
Chuck

[THE LEGEND]

Did'nt Scotty win Super Gas at Houston in 1988 at the age of 16. He had just turned 16 and it was his first national.

Back to Erica. She has paid her dues as a driver. I doubt she can wrench anything on that car, but very few do. It's a new wave of racers. Danica probably can't either. Do you think Courtney turns wrenches. Come on.They have surrounded her with good people such as Dave and Utt.

As for Daddy's money. He probably helped her get to where she is at but I doubt he is footing the bills now. No different than any of the top Young Nascar drivers. Ever heard of a guy named Jeff Gordon. His Mom and Step Dad carried him around the country racing footing the bills until he got his break.

How much do you think GA and Line pay for on their rides? Somebody somewhere is paying.

I'm glad to see a new face in the winners circle for a change. It's good for the sport as is the rivalry.

I think Greg needs to Chill about the pic though. I think it was funny.
Chip

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Did'nt Scotty win Super Gas at Houston in 1988 at the age of 16. He had just turned 16 and it was his first national.

Back to Erica. She has paid her dues as a driver. I doubt she can wrench anything on that car, but very few do. It's a new wave of racers. Danica probably can't either. Do you think Courtney turns wrenches. Come on.They have surrounded her with good people such as Dave and Utt.

As for Daddy's money. He probably helped her get to where she is at but I doubt he is footing the bills now. No different than any of the top Young Nascar drivers. Ever heard of a guy named Jeff Gordon. His Mom and Step Dad carried him around the country racing footing the bills until he got his break.

How much do you think GA and Line pay for on their rides? Somebody somewhere is paying.

I'm glad to see a new face in the winners circle for a change. It's good for the sport as is the rivalry.

I think Greg needs to Chill about the pic though. I think it was funny.
Chip

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In Pro Stock money only helps to buy good parts and do R&D.
However, it does not buy championships or races.
When you have the right pieces, a good crew chief and driving skills make you the winner.

[CycloneFE]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

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In Pro Stock money only helps to buy good parts and do R&D.
However, it does not buy championships or races.
When you have the right pieces, a good crew chief and driving skills make you the winner.

It appears you can however buy a crewchief.

[Harry 6674]

I thought Connelly and the rest of the dirty dozen in the Matty box incident had lifetime bans from NHRA competition? Something must have changed.

[Mike Carr]

[QUOTE=davidhuff;341887]

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

You can't deny he is one of the Dirty dozen though, That will stick with him forever.[/QUOTE
Who is the Dirty Dozen?

The Dirty Dozen were a group of bracket racers from northern central Ohio. Usually raced at Norwalk, and other tracks. Here is the story, as I have heard (and confirmed with others).

In 1999, Rich Matty was going rounds at the Moroso 5 Day race. Running dead-on the dial every round. Even had a race where his opponent broke off the line...Rich ran flat out to the stripe, never looked over, and ran dead-on. Trackside observers noticed he never looked over on any of his runs. Instead, he stared at his tach the whole run. When asked to teardown, he refused. He packed up and left.

Rich had taken out a patent on a device later known as "The Matty Box". Basically cruise control for a racecar. It contained controls for a throttle stop and nitrous. It used sensors on the driveshaft and front wheel(s). Once the car made a certain run (say, 7.93 seconds), the car would repeat that number over and over. If the car was running slow, nitrous would speed it up. If the car was running fast, the throttle stop would engage. The car would repeat that run every time. Just slightly illegal.

Anyway, Bill Bader (owner of Norwalk) banned Rich and several other drivers from competing at Norwalk, and, later, competing at ANY IHRA event. I don't remember the entire list. I know Matty was on it, as were Ray and Dave Connelly, Bill Webb (or Bill someone), Ron Erks, and several others. One had done transmissions for the grup, one had done carburetors, etc. Nitro Joe could probablyfill in the blanks as to who some of the others were.

To my knowledge, NONE of the other Dirty Dozen were ever even protested, let alone found illegal. I think a Mark somebody may have been protested at Norwalk, and passed (though rumor is it was illegal in some way, and tech couldn't find it, and may or may not have been a part of the DD).

So, Dave C will, unfortunately. have the stench of the Dirty Dozen controversy the rest of his life--even if he never did anything illegal in his career.

And, when Bill Bader switched Norwalk to NHRA sanction in 2007, he was told he had to let the DD compete there during the new NHRA National Event there...which I have heard, he was none too pleased with. And, when Dave C (or his dad Ray) won that year or '08, Bill B wasn't even there to present the trophy to the winner (still upset over the deal, I suppose).

That, is the short, easy version of the story, which should be about 95% accurate, the way I have read/heard about from several others.

[THE LEGEND]

Mike you are real close. I will add a couple items.
1) None of the DD was ever found with the device on their cars.
2) I watched Matty win a 20 k at Commerce on Saturday and not stay for Sunday. When asked why he said whats the odds of winning 2 days in a row.(AT LEAST HE WAS"NT GREEDY)
3) The Device was offered to a friend of mine. Not by a DD person either. It was more widespread than realized.He was gonna buy it but about that time crap hit the fan.
4)Matty was warned at Bristol in 99 that he would be checked at the winter series if he showed up.
5) I was not at Florida when the deal went down but was told by bystanders the situation was about to get ugly. More like a Lynch mob.
With all that being said. Whether DC Did or Did'nt it was 14 years ago. LET IT GO. Eckman finally is going racing again which I think is a good deal. THe Dodge boys got to race again after the Double secret superthrow down probation.
Do you think anybody else out there has never bent the rules?

[davidhuff]

So the the story about Dave Connelly tied to the Dirty Dozen is:
(1)Never found any illegal devise on his car
(2)Never found cheating at a nhra race
(3)Never ever found cheating his whole career at any race
(4)Never banned from nhra racing
COME ON MAN!

[cicero819]

Mr Butner this was reported by S&Super Stock Magazine, this is also documented in many other articles on the people who purchased these Device that Matty was selling. All I`m saying is that your friend was splashed from the association with Matty by having purchase such device. Racers using this device were easy to spot since they had to match and watch their tach when crossing the win line instead of watching their opposition. All I`m saying is that it`s hard to forgive any of those racer taking money out of the honest racers who weren`t cheating(this is not like someone trying to find an extra hp), kind of losing the gold medal and finishing second to drug runner as we had to deal many years ago in Canada. I`m not saying that your friend cheated, just that you can`t never trust him because no defence was ever put forward on his behalf. Please enlighten me and I`ll be the first to shut the hell up. This story was well explained to me by a great former editor of a racing magazine many years ago who investigated the subject thoroughly. Glad to see that you are a great friend and you`re proving it by sticking up for him but the past is relevant to the future. Claude Ruel

[Julie Jordan]

Originally Posted by cicero819

Mr Butner this was reported by S&Super Stock Magazine, this is also documented in many other articles on the people who purchased these Device that Matty was selling. All I`m saying is that your friend was splashed from the association with Matty by having purchase such device. Racers using this device were easy to spot since they had to match and watch their tach when crossing the win line instead of watching their opposition. All I`m saying is that it`s hard to forgive any of those racer taking money out of the honest racers who weren`t cheating(this is not like someone trying to find an extra hp), kind of losing the gold medal and finishing second to drug runner as we had to deal many years ago in Canada. I`m not saying that your friend cheated, just that you can`t never trust him because no defence was ever put forward on his behalf. Please enlighten me and I`ll be the first to shut the hell up. This story was well explained to me by a great former editor of a racing magazine many years ago who investigated the subject thoroughly. Glad to see that you are a great friend and you`re proving it by sticking up for him but the past is relevant to the future. Claude Ruel

So cheating to "find" extra horsepower is different than cheating to get to the finish line? Cheating is cheating, whether its against your spouse, not claiming cash income, taking paper clips from your employer or cheating in drag racing. Because no one offers a defense doesn't make a person guilty either. I'm not siding for or against Connelly and the others, I just find the assumption of his guilt to be irrational.

I read something the other day that stuck with me and applies to this situation. "Go ahead. Judge me. Just remember to be perfect the rest of your life."