Factory experimental

[bill dedman]

Jeff Lee said, "I've always thought that if Detroit builds them, NHRA should race 'em."

Well, "Detroit" didn't build this last Roush-inspired race car. If that car goes anywhere, it needs to be put into Super Stock where it can frolic and play with those of its own kind, the Hemi-powered light-weight '65 Mopars, Z-11 '63 Chevys (are they legal yet for S/S?), Thunderbolts and cross-ram AMX's.

Apples and apples...

Putting those cars into Stock Eliminator is a big mistake, in my opinion. Oh yeah; nobody asked me..

As regards, " It is believed that this is the first time the NHRA has approved an aftermarket powertrain for competition." can you say "single 4bbl 1967 Shelby 428 GT500"???

Do these people who write this stuff live in a cave???

jeesh...

[Bruce Noland]

I think one of these cars in Stock is too many.

We fight tooth and nail with nhra for common sense application of their rules and then they throw the rule book out the window to allow an After Market Super Stock car to run in Stock. This one is clearly a class killer and nhra could give a rats behind. What about their rules?

We get beat up over pistons, heads, intakes, etc. and yet these new After Market cars can run anything they want. Why should we have to worry about our parts being exact when these new cars are getting away with this stuff?

[goinbroke2]

Been gone a while, come back and read this.

What's the best thing that could happen to S&SS? Get the factories involved again. Oh yeah others wrote, a new mustang running a camaro and a challenger! WOW too cool! Maybe it would open up some eyes and finally get at least some recognition and respect. Yeah, can't wait.....

Couple months later the cars are in the guide...and the whiners who whine about EVERYTHING have something new to whine about. You guys are un frigging believable! Big Daddy is going to race a mopar in STOCK, the factories are getting involved, new cars,new blood etc is coming to S/SS and you guys piss and moan???

HOLY %^&*!

A front engine dragster to bracket race is looking more appealing after reading this crap. Go back 50 pages/a year ago or so and reread some threads. Same guys bitching about something else which at that point in time "will ruin class racing". Go back a 100 pages, yup the same group, only a NEW thing to bitch about. 200 pages....yup

Let's see, fords/paper cars, waaa. 305hp too low, waaa. carb/inj, waaa. turbo's, waaaa. A vette that never hit the track yet got 75hp off and will dominate EVERTHING!, waaaa. adj buttons, waaa. alum heads,waa. aftermarket brakes, waaa

On and on it goes.

IF THE CARS ARE IN THE GUIDE THEN THEY ARE ALLOWED TO RACE, IF THEY ARE NOT THEN THEY CAN'T! PERIOD!

When you have new cars coming out with unheard of hp, what are you going to do? What about the guy running a stock flathead who see's the hemi? WAAAAA, I have 85hp and he has 425hp, that car shouldn't be allowed! The factories will ruin everything! See the new ecoboost flex coming out in 2010? 355HP!!
Yes that's right, a frigging minivan with a twin turbo 355hp v-6 from the factory!

There is a reason pre 60 cars are not in the guide anymore (I know 55 chebby's) point is, a well set up inline 8 buick just won't compete to a screaming 2.3L turbo or a 305 etc. Stop all the personal agenda's, let the legal cars run.


[flaming in 3...2...1...]

[Bruce Noland]

Says the man with no dog in the hunt.

[Chuck Beach]

Well said Goinbroke2, welcome back ...

[bill dedman]

Reminds me of the guy who stands off to one side and says, "Let's you and him fight!!!"

You don't have to have an agenda OR a dog in the hunt to realize that "Stock" carries with it the implication that the cars racing in that eliminator will have come down an assembly line at some point in their lives, as COMPLETE CARS....

Stock Eliminator was never intended for cars created as purpose-built race cars by the aftermarket.

That's not whining (and, why would I; I don't run a car in Stock Eliminator), it's just fact.

[Bruce Noland]

What Bill said!

SSJA,

It makes a lot of difference when you have dumped a lot of time and money into a project to see it blown away by a greedy OEM and the other guy hasn't invested a nickel.

Chuck,

It's nice to see you have become such a magnanimous old soul in your old age.

[Alan Roehrich]

Ah yes, a song by the master of all whiners. A whiner with a nasal tone, and a bad case of permanently stoned.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

Been gone a while, come back and read this.

What's the best thing that could happen to S&SS? Get the factories involved again. Oh yeah others wrote, a new mustang running a camaro and a challenger! WOW too cool! Maybe it would open up some eyes and finally get at least some recognition and respect. Yeah, can't wait.....

Couple months later the cars are in the guide...and the whiners who whine about EVERYTHING have something new to whine about. You guys are un frigging believable! Big Daddy is going to race a mopar in STOCK, the factories are getting involved, new cars,new blood etc is coming to S/SS and you guys piss and moan???

HOLY %^&*!

A front engine dragster to bracket race is looking more appealing after reading this crap. Go back 50 pages/a year ago or so and reread some threads. Same guys bitching about something else which at that point in time "will ruin class racing". Go back a 100 pages, yup the same group, only a NEW thing to bitch about. 200 pages....yup

Let's see, fords/paper cars, waaa. 305hp too low, waaa. carb/inj, waaa. turbo's, waaaa. A vette that never hit the track yet got 75hp off and will dominate EVERTHING!, waaaa. adj buttons, waaa. alum heads,waa. aftermarket brakes, waaa

On and on it goes.

IF THE CARS ARE IN THE GUIDE THEN THEY ARE ALLOWED TO RACE, IF THEY ARE NOT THEN THEY CAN'T! PERIOD!

When you have new cars coming out with unheard of hp, what are you going to do? What about the guy running a stock flathead who see's the hemi? WAAAAA, I have 85hp and he has 425hp, that car shouldn't be allowed! The factories will ruin everything! See the new ecoboost flex coming out in 2010? 355HP!!
Yes that's right, a frigging minivan with a twin turbo 355hp v-6 from the factory!

There is a reason pre 60 cars are not in the guide anymore (I know 55 chebby's) point is, a well set up inline 8 buick just won't compete to a screaming 2.3L turbo or a 305 etc. Stop all the personal agenda's, let the legal cars run.


[flaming in 3...2...1...]

When the wt/hp factor makes the car carry excessive weight,looks like a good candidate for Super Stock.Evan Smith's car is a good example.The car was originally going to run Stock.Didn't fit so it's a SSer.Ford T bolts and others,same thing.
Have fun with the front engine dragster.You can go on the bracket racing section now and make your mark.

Ed F.

Racers didn't create this mess.NHRA tech did.

[goinbroke2]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Says the man with no dog in the hunt.

A guys house is on fire and the bucket brigade is doing the best they can to fight it. A brand new fire truck pulls up with massive hoses and big pumps.
Your one of the bucket brigade who is complaining the truck will put the brigade out of work/you can't compete with it/it's not fair/the truck is more complicated than a bucket and will be unreliable.

Yes some of the guys will quit the brigade and start driving the truck, running the ladder, running the hoses etc. Others will say "I've been running this bucket for 30+ years, I'll race that truck instead of change". Others unfortunately will simply give up and quit firefighting.

Meanwhile there is a bystander watching (with no dog in the fight, truck or bucket) and say
"ISN'T THE IMPORTANT THING, THE HOUSE THAT IS ON FIRE"?

It's not all about YOU Bruce, or anybody else and their combo. The important thing is that S/SS survives and flourishes. I love S/SS (was sarcastic about the digger) and the big picture is, this can be the opening it needs, if viewed as a glass-half-full.

I see more potential benefit to allowing the new mustangs/camaro's/challengers into Stock, even if they do get booted to SS next year. Just the fact that NEW cars which are exciting (no offence to lower class new cars) will be drawing in not only big names like BIG and others, but also it shows the toyota and honda driving fans that the domestic's are still alive and kicking hard!

The downside is a possible #1 qualifier "ringers" until they're factored. There have been MANY new combo's that were declared the end of S/SS....and yet it survives. Imagine what will happen when it's not just another car on the track but a new one with factory support, and the wins are used in commercials/adds by the manufacture?