DMV Crackdown - Page 7

G Schenck · 08-14-2008, 10:03 PM

Try this thought. I take my motorhome with my trailered (get around town) car and go to the casino and win some money. Then am I a commercial vehicle? Very gray areas.

Greg

Bob Don · 08-14-2008, 10:17 PM

As long as the race you are going to has a Best Appearing trophy (and if it doesn't, start doing it), tell the cops you are going to a car show with a trophy for a prize and no money. Bingo, you are no longer a commercial enterprise. (I am a 26yr LEO and that would work for me!).

Jeff Teuton · 08-14-2008, 10:30 PM

There is a specific exemption in the DOT regs about prize money. I have put it out here for years. It is for cars, boats, horse trailers etc. Anybody want it, email me and I will fax it to you. jefft@southlanddodge.com. Now you can't have your trailer and truck or motor home titled Joe Jones Racing. Then you are commercial. My motor home is titled in my personal name and so is my trailer.

FED 387 · 08-14-2008, 10:34 PM

Guys ---the basic problem here is either length or weight!!! For example if you have a 36-40 motorhome you can only have a trailer that has an overall length (thats right the enclosed box AND the drawbar) of
28-20 feet --- That means a box length of about 24-16 foot box !!!!! sorry but that is reality!!! If you have a crew cab dually and a 5th wheel trailer any longer than say 32-36 feet you ARE TOO LONG! !!! also if the TOTAL weight of both the truck and trailer is over 10000 pounds you weigh too much--You will need a CDL in almost every state OTHERWISE you are ILLEGAL-- So quit your bitching get your legislators to change the laws--They are on the books and since every state & municipality is crying for $$$ they are going to enforce these antiquated laws--Comp 387

Jeff Teuton · 08-14-2008, 10:50 PM

Also DOT, CDL, and Weights & Measures are three different animals. I think in all states your plate should be enough to cover your total weight. Over 10k, you could be subject to DOT regs if you are a commercial user. CDL comes in over 26K GVW. All the truck manufacturers make a truck that has a GVW of 25999 or 25900 and it is completely legal. A trailer manufacturer could rate a trailer with triple 6k axles (18K) at only 14k and completely legal. GVW is determined by axles and frame. That is a federal deal. If you are pulling with a truck, just keep the title in a personal name, and have enough plate to cover what your truck and trailer weigh and you should be ok. Motor homes normally are just licensed without regard to GVW except maybe NY I think. You always want to create a gray area if you are stopped.

Jeff Teuton · 08-21-2008, 02:37 PM

The GM of ZMAX Dragway is now involved in the problems in NC, as well as Steve Earwood. I would expect a resolution or temporary fix shortly. More as it is available.

Rob Petrie E395 · 08-21-2008, 03:22 PM

You all might want to take a look at Federal Motor carrier safety administration Rule 390.3 (f) (3) Occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furthance of a commercial enterprise. If you go to fmcsa.dot.gov and then search for rule 390.3 once it comes up click on the box to the right that reads interpretation then go down to where is says question 21. You have to meet the criteria which are
1. A. you are not racing for a profit any income is reported as regular income on your personal taxes and B. you are not deducting the costs as a business right off

2. corprated sponsorship is not involved.
I keep a copy of this in the truck with me so if I let someone else drive and we get stopped we will have it to show the officer. I have a A CDL but I keep it in there in case I let somebody else drive.
Hope this helps
Rob

bobby · 08-21-2008, 04:34 PM

Glad I live in Texas. Not as bad here, maybe I shouldn't start anything or say anything,LOL. My trailer is 3 axle,18000 gvw, truck is 26000 gcvw, wiegh 11,000. I'm also 7" over length of 65'. Havn't been pulled over yet. But then again, I don't win much either. so I guess that makes my not commerce?

I know all of people around here that are more over length and weigh more than I do and havnt' ever been stopped.

wsmracing · 08-24-2008, 05:43 PM

Heard there was supposed to be a meeting august 26 th...............hopefully those minutes will be available.........& we can put this to rest until another state is heard from

08-14-2008, 10:03 PM	#61
G Schenck Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Harahan, La. Posts: 521 Likes: 41 Liked 81 Times in 35 Posts	Re: DMV Crackdown Try this thought. I take my motorhome with my trailered (get around town) car and go to the casino and win some money. Then am I a commercial vehicle? Very gray areas. Greg

08-14-2008, 10:17 PM	#62
Bob Don VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Greater Boston Posts: 1,497 Likes: 1,137 Liked 905 Times in 193 Posts	Re: DMV Crackdown As long as the race you are going to has a Best Appearing trophy (and if it doesn't, start doing it), tell the cops you are going to a car show with a trophy for a prize and no money. Bingo, you are no longer a commercial enterprise. (I am a 26yr LEO and that would work for me!).

08-14-2008, 10:30 PM	#63
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: DMV Crackdown There is a specific exemption in the DOT regs about prize money. I have put it out here for years. It is for cars, boats, horse trailers etc. Anybody want it, email me and I will fax it to you. jefft@southlanddodge.com. Now you can't have your trailer and truck or motor home titled Joe Jones Racing. Then you are commercial. My motor home is titled in my personal name and so is my trailer. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

08-14-2008, 10:34 PM	#64
FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,423 Likes: 541 Liked 333 Times in 180 Posts	Re: DMV Crackdown Guys ---the basic problem here is either length or weight!!! For example if you have a 36-40 motorhome you can only have a trailer that has an overall length (thats right the enclosed box AND the drawbar) of 28-20 feet --- That means a box length of about 24-16 foot box !!!!! sorry but that is reality!!! If you have a crew cab dually and a 5th wheel trailer any longer than say 32-36 feet you ARE TOO LONG! !!! also if the TOTAL weight of both the truck and trailer is over 10000 pounds you weigh too much--You will need a CDL in almost every state OTHERWISE you are ILLEGAL-- So quit your bitching get your legislators to change the laws--They are on the books and since every state & municipality is crying for $$$ they are going to enforce these antiquated laws--Comp 387

08-14-2008, 10:50 PM	#65
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: DMV Crackdown Also DOT, CDL, and Weights & Measures are three different animals. I think in all states your plate should be enough to cover your total weight. Over 10k, you could be subject to DOT regs if you are a commercial user. CDL comes in over 26K GVW. All the truck manufacturers make a truck that has a GVW of 25999 or 25900 and it is completely legal. A trailer manufacturer could rate a trailer with triple 6k axles (18K) at only 14k and completely legal. GVW is determined by axles and frame. That is a federal deal. If you are pulling with a truck, just keep the title in a personal name, and have enough plate to cover what your truck and trailer weigh and you should be ok. Motor homes normally are just licensed without regard to GVW except maybe NY I think. You always want to create a gray area if you are stopped. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

08-21-2008, 02:37 PM	#66
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: DMV Crackdown The GM of ZMAX Dragway is now involved in the problems in NC, as well as Steve Earwood. I would expect a resolution or temporary fix shortly. More as it is available. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

08-21-2008, 03:22 PM	#67
Rob Petrie E395 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Woodlawn IL Posts: 1,092 Likes: 162 Liked 216 Times in 77 Posts	Re: DMV Crackdown You all might want to take a look at Federal Motor carrier safety administration Rule 390.3 (f) (3) Occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furthance of a commercial enterprise. If you go to fmcsa.dot.gov and then search for rule 390.3 once it comes up click on the box to the right that reads interpretation then go down to where is says question 21. You have to meet the criteria which are 1. A. you are not racing for a profit any income is reported as regular income on your personal taxes and B. you are not deducting the costs as a business right off 2. corprated sponsorship is not involved. I keep a copy of this in the truck with me so if I let someone else drive and we get stopped we will have it to show the officer. I have a A CDL but I keep it in there in case I let somebody else drive. Hope this helps Rob Last edited by Rob Petrie E395; 08-21-2008 at 03:24 PM. Reason: added info

08-21-2008, 04:34 PM	#68
bobby Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: League City, Texas Posts: 243 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: DMV Crackdown Glad I live in Texas. Not as bad here, maybe I shouldn't start anything or say anything,LOL. My trailer is 3 axle,18000 gvw, truck is 26000 gcvw, wiegh 11,000. I'm also 7" over length of 65'. Havn't been pulled over yet. But then again, I don't win much either. so I guess that makes my not commerce? I know all of people around here that are more over length and weigh more than I do and havnt' ever been stopped.

08-24-2008, 05:43 PM	#69
wsmracing Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NEW JERSEY Posts: 170 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: DMV Crackdown Heard there was supposed to be a meeting august 26 th...............hopefully those minutes will be available.........& we can put this to rest until another state is heard from