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Old 04-11-2016, 03:45 PM   #51
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David, I assume you're talking about the --one-- AA/SA car on the west coast that has "consistently" qualified in the top ten ? .... Additionally - with this most favorable index, I'll assume you're gonna run AA all this season including showing up at Indy in AA trim ?
No, my car is just fine running in A and B thank you.
Think about what you are asking. Either McClanahan/Rayburn/Dourlet have been roughly in the top 16 or better and every race running better than .9 under. Why in their right mind would NHRA take 2 tenths off the AA index to put these cars at ~1.10 under and on top of the sheet? If that isn't manipulating the system to get what you want I don't know what is. What you should be doing is campaigning NHRA to take 2 tenths off all the indexes except for AA.
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Old 04-11-2016, 04:47 PM   #52
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What you should be doing is campaigning NHRA to take 2 tenths off all the indexes except for AA.[/QUOTE]

best idea yet!!!!!
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Old 04-11-2016, 05:28 PM   #53
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Dave, First off, What I "asked for" in my request to NHRA was the Index to be adjusted to 10.70. The reason was to give the AA cars an equal chance (level playing field) to qualify at races like Indy and The Sportsnational events, where everybody is running their stuff all out to qualify for a 128 car field. It had nothing to do with manipulating anything. I promise you at a race like Indy, no AA cars will be in the top half of the field, let alone the top 10. This is why they don't even come to these races. My request was denied, AND I'm fine with that. I'm gonna race! The West Coast Guys are deservingly fast - Rayburn has worked hard on his combo! But keep in mind they are running their stuff flat out, because, they don't have to be worried about getting a hp hit even in the best conditions. The other cars do. So don't place too much on what you see at the early West Coast Races where most fast cars are protecting their combos. Additionally, what I ask for, was for NHRA to just take a look, and maybe help the fastest "old" muscle car class grow...And it's because you're right, why would you be interested in taking the weight out to come play - only to get hit with a 4 tenths index penalty... I love all stock class racing, but tell me, would you rather watch AA class at Indy with 10 cars, or a U/S through V/S 8 car combo ?
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Old 04-11-2016, 05:50 PM   #54
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The V/S combo was fun, it was almost three seconds more fun than the AA/SA cars.


Dave's car with 405# out for AA/SA would be a 9.50s player on a good day. Maybe even high 9.40s


I still live by the Chuck Rayburn rule: I don't have one so I have no vote !
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Old 04-11-2016, 06:55 PM   #55
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At Indy a10:23 @ B weight would be ______ @ AA weight? My guess would be about 9.82.
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Old 04-11-2016, 07:59 PM   #56
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Thanks Larry, I appreciate the kind words.

Bruce, you must be talking about me. If you want to believe my runs at Indy last year are indicative of how my car runs, so be it...you are entitled to your opinion. Since you are busy looking back at stats, can you go back and check and see if any B/SA cars went as quick as you did in A/SA at the Atco Open and the Dutch last year?
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Old 04-11-2016, 09:17 PM   #57
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Dave,
I heard you were a pretty busy fellow at Indy last year but I do believe you threw up your best number in between your other activities. Given the air at Indy and your passes at Atco, all the numbers are pretty close. You are out here trying to influence a debate when you don't even run in the class and you're smart enough to know you couldn't qualify in AA at Indy. This is where the debate is centered - INDY. Everywhere else the AA cars are receiving a gift.
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:54 PM   #58
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I have to go with Larry Hill and the Chuck Rayburn rule; I don't have one so I got no vote. However;;;; I really don't know the theory from to move beyond the normal (by what standards I have no idea) from about .10 to .15 class to class to the .40 to that AA class. But I got no vote so I guess it don't matter. Consider this clutter.
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Old 04-12-2016, 08:26 AM   #59
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Dave,
I heard you were a pretty busy fellow at Indy last year but I do believe you threw up your best number in between your other activities. Given the air at Indy and your passes at Atco, all the numbers are pretty close. You are out here trying to influence a debate when you don't even run in the class and you're smart enough to know you couldn't qualify in AA at Indy. This is where the debate is centered - INDY. Everywhere else the AA cars are receiving a gift.
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We were .28 slower at Indy (3900) DA on friday running class than the Atco open race (600) DA on thursday's record runs Just for a comparison. Indy did correct .02 better but I think my stuff runs better at altitude.

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