Why Class racing dies slowly - Page 6

ss wannabee · 07-22-2015, 10:48 AM

I think we should take a moment and realize this concept...class racing..despite problems from time to time...has been ALIVE for some 50 years or so...maybe more?

Dick Butler · 07-22-2015, 01:25 PM

What a great thread. Lots of satisfied people with the Stk eliminator and SS eliminator as it is currently called. Many call it class racing and that's true in the sense it has to be a class legal car.
Some miss the point by a mile some recognize the need for an entry cheaper way to get new involvement. Many are satisfied with their current status and car.
Some recognize the factoring problems but no one on this thread has added anything about being beaten by a lightly factored combination except Jack.. I assume that means eliminator participation is the product people like most.

Michael Beard · 07-22-2015, 02:17 PM

Define what is "cheap"? What's an acceptable dollar figure for entry level 1) Stockers and 2) Super Stockers? What's an acceptable performance level for such a car? What is the goal/purpose of the car?

Jim Caughlin · 07-22-2015, 05:23 PM

Dick, there is a 'cheap' entry to stock and super stock, it's called bracket race until you can afford to move up to class racing, that's what I did. I didn't ask for anyone to change the rules to accommodate me. When I first started is SS, I couldn't run the index but I kept at it until it worked. If it comes to the point that I can't afford SS or don't like the rules, I won't complain, I'll just go back to bracket racing.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

Marty Buth · 07-22-2015, 05:39 PM

Right On, Jim!!! Your experience and thoughts are a carbon copy of mine!

Dick Butler · 07-22-2015, 05:41 PM

[QUOTE=Jim Caughlin;477222]Dick, there is a 'cheap' entry to stock and super stock, it's called bracket race until you can afford to move up to class racing, that's what I did. I didn't ask for anyone to change the rules to accommodate me. When I first started is SS, I couldn't run the index but I kept at it until it worked. If it comes to the point that I can't afford SS or don't like the rules, I won't complain, I'll just go back to bracket racing.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019[/QUOTE
Again this posts the fact that Most people are pleased with taking a class legal set of rules and building a car to compete. They are having fun and the Heads Up Class racing component doesn't come up in their responses.
Jim you are correct as far as you go with your comments. How many cars are in your Class when you go to a national event? Are they a good heads up race for you or are you #1 in class and can win a trophy? or are you just pleased to race the Points meet format?
To me Eliminator at points meets is only a part of the picture.Winning a class trophy is the rest.
To each his own but when dial in Is what you live for ......are you really running class?

Dick Butler · 07-22-2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Define what is "cheap"? What's an acceptable dollar figure for entry level 1) Stockers and 2) Super Stockers? What's an acceptable performance level for such a car? What is the goal/purpose of the car?

Two topics are being discussed in one thread
1) Slow death of Class Racing( except your meet and one or two Nationals)
Point is the more legal motors and the more factors the more inequity of factoring influences who can win a trophy in Class Racing. This creates the feeling Eliminator qualification and being able to race in that portion of the event is THE goal. This minimizes the achievement of winning a Trophy or beating 8 or 10 cars of similar make up to show you have that kind of skill.
2)Second topic which has been added by some is cheap class car for entry.
Cheap one of a kind Dime Rockets are around. Some relish creating a beautiful one of a kind #1 Qualifier complete with all hand built creations. That is great and to be congratulated but..... who does this car race- Heads up? No One.
If people feel a cheap entry level car could help attract new blood, bring back retired racers, serve as a place to decrease their cash investment and still race, that is my discussion.
I have no idea of the cost but they must all be the same and all given a chance to win a trophy. Only lb/cubic inch. No more rule book wonders. Basic motors and trans rules as in prior Mod posts. Reward for work not changing cars or motors.
A sealed motor is around 4500$ and a retired roller might be 10,000-15K

Paul Wong · 07-22-2015, 06:17 PM

2)Second topic which has been added by some is cheap class car for entry.
Cheap one of a kind Dime Rockets are around. Some relish creating a beautiful one of a kind #1 Qualifier complete with all hand built creations. That is great and to be congratulated but..... who does this car race- Heads up? No One.
If people feel a cheap entry level car could help attract new blood, bring back retired racers, serve as a place to decrease their cash investment and still race, that is my discussion.

I know there is backlash to the whole combo class, but it seems like everywhere I go I am running a class final late in the afternoon with my "one off" rides. The combo class is like a little bit of class racing that I never got a chance to get when they ran off records decades ago.

ALMACK · 07-22-2015, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin

Dick, there is a 'cheap' entry to stock and super stock, it's called bracket race until you can afford to move up to class racing, that's what I did. I didn't ask for anyone to change the rules to accommodate me. When I first started is SS, I couldn't run the index but I kept at it until it worked. If it comes to the point that I can't afford SS or don't like the rules, I won't complain, I'll just go back to bracket racing.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

^^ This

I had to wait 30 years before I could afford to move into class racing from bracket racing.

Dan Fahey · 07-22-2015, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin

Dick, there is a 'cheap' entry to stock and super stock, it's called bracket race until you can afford to move up to class racing, that's what I did. I didn't ask for anyone to change the rules to accommodate me. When I first started is SS, I couldn't run the index but I kept at it until it worked. If it comes to the point that I can't afford SS or don't like the rules, I won't complain, I'll just go back to bracket racing.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

Hmm..that is what I did for Pure Stock.
Ran the ECIRS series and over the years made changes.
Documented them. Upgraded here and there.
Realized I could run under the G/PS index.
Ran S/SS Tri State events doing fairly well.
Drove the car to all the races putting on the racing wheels and went racing.

But kept upgrading and now towing to the races.
The expense to go faster does not stop.
Wish NHRA would add Pure Stock.
Feel More racers would build and run them.
Just so many advantages such as reliability!

D

07-22-2015, 10:48 AM	#51
ss wannabee Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 663 Likes: 0 Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Why Class racing dies slowly I think we should take a moment and realize this concept...class racing..despite problems from time to time...has been ALIVE for some 50 years or so...maybe more?

07-22-2015, 01:25 PM	#52
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Why Class racing dies slowly What a great thread. Lots of satisfied people with the Stk eliminator and SS eliminator as it is currently called. Many call it class racing and that's true in the sense it has to be a class legal car. Some miss the point by a mile some recognize the need for an entry cheaper way to get new involvement. Many are satisfied with their current status and car. Some recognize the factoring problems but no one on this thread has added anything about being beaten by a lightly factored combination except Jack.. I assume that means eliminator participation is the product people like most.

07-22-2015, 02:17 PM	#53
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Why Class racing dies slowly Define what is "cheap"? What's an acceptable dollar figure for entry level 1) Stockers and 2) Super Stockers? What's an acceptable performance level for such a car? What is the goal/purpose of the car? __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

07-22-2015, 05:23 PM	#54
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 685 Likes: 83 Liked 805 Times in 245 Posts	Re: Why Class racing dies slowly Dick, there is a 'cheap' entry to stock and super stock, it's called bracket race until you can afford to move up to class racing, that's what I did. I didn't ask for anyone to change the rules to accommodate me. When I first started is SS, I couldn't run the index but I kept at it until it worked. If it comes to the point that I can't afford SS or don't like the rules, I won't complain, I'll just go back to bracket racing. Jim Caughlin SS 6019

07-22-2015, 05:39 PM	#55
Marty Buth Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Freeport, IL Posts: 467 Likes: 662 Liked 232 Times in 39 Posts	Re: Why Class racing dies slowly Right On, Jim!!! Your experience and thoughts are a carbon copy of mine! __________________ Marty Buth 3657 STK

07-22-2015, 05:41 PM	#56
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Why Class racing dies slowly [QUOTE=Jim Caughlin;477222]Dick, there is a 'cheap' entry to stock and super stock, it's called bracket race until you can afford to move up to class racing, that's what I did. I didn't ask for anyone to change the rules to accommodate me. When I first started is SS, I couldn't run the index but I kept at it until it worked. If it comes to the point that I can't afford SS or don't like the rules, I won't complain, I'll just go back to bracket racing. Jim Caughlin SS 6019[/QUOTE Again this posts the fact that Most people are pleased with taking a class legal set of rules and building a car to compete. They are having fun and the Heads Up Class racing component doesn't come up in their responses. Jim you are correct as far as you go with your comments. How many cars are in your Class when you go to a national event? Are they a good heads up race for you or are you #1 in class and can win a trophy? or are you just pleased to race the Points meet format? To me Eliminator at points meets is only a part of the picture.Winning a class trophy is the rest. To each his own but when dial in Is what you live for ......are you really running class?

07-22-2015, 06:17 PM	#58
Paul Wong Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 384 Likes: 101 Liked 419 Times in 85 Posts	Re: Why Class racing dies slowly 2)Second topic which has been added by some is cheap class car for entry. Cheap one of a kind Dime Rockets are around. Some relish creating a beautiful one of a kind #1 Qualifier complete with all hand built creations. That is great and to be congratulated but..... who does this car race- Heads up? No One. If people feel a cheap entry level car could help attract new blood, bring back retired racers, serve as a place to decrease their cash investment and still race, that is my discussion. I know there is backlash to the whole combo class, but it seems like everywhere I go I am running a class final late in the afternoon with my "one off" rides. The combo class is like a little bit of class racing that I never got a chance to get when they ran off records decades ago. Last edited by Paul Wong; 07-23-2015 at 11:52 AM.