HP on Monday?

[Paul Precht]

Originally Posted by jimmyparker

Mainly the result of 15 year old indexes and zero tech on cylinder heads and intakes.

Zero tech on cylinder heads, intakes and piston notches but not all combos benefit from allowable upgrades since many had nothing or little to gain.

[Larry Hill]

Runs of 1.300 or more under the index will be reviewed and adjusted following the event.

This is done to better react to any out-of-line indexes or under-horse-powered combinations. Runs at all NHRA National, Sports National, and LODRS events, including those at altitude-factored racetracks, are included in the 1.300-second-or-more-under analysis. No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review. Adjustments are rounded up to the nearest full horsepower even if the fraction is below 0.5 horsepower. As an example, 2.15 horsepower is rounded to 3 horsepower.



Parameters used for reviews of 1.3xx runs are the same as stated above.

The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the NHRA Tech Department.

Could This Happen?

Racer X is sick of getting outrun in Class. His car always looses to the
396/375 Camaro in B/SA, so a plan is devised by someone with plenty of money.

1. Buy a good B/SA 69 Camaro that is a good stock class car.
2. Build a big Big Block, 502?, with all the correct parts showing, heads, carb, manifold.
3. Put car together and secretly go test to get performance high enough to ruin combination for a lifetime.
4. Get some local racer to enter the car at a local points race where AHFS will be in play.
5. Have car pass inspection before first run, weight, fuel, safety belts, and helmet
6. First run blast the index load up and go home
7. Monday AHFS gives 396/375 6.25% additional Horse Power

My question is could NHRA keep this from Happing? With how the rules are written now I do not think so. Our category needs some protection from NHRA Tech Department. Maybe a check list to follow when runs of 1.3 seconds or quicker are made during events when the AHFS is in place.

The answer will take some thinking and some work

[Dan Fahey]

Confusing !!

National Record for H/SA is posted as 10.62

H/SA 10.62
10/21/22
Glenn Briglio - Massapequa Park, NY
'89 Chev
Reading, PA

Did it get hit with a HP Increase too?

[Travis Buth]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Confusing !!

National Record for H/SA is posted as 10.62

H/SA 10.62
10/21/22
Glenn Briglio - Massapequa Park, NY
'89 Chev
Reading, PA

Did it get hit with a HP Increase too?

I believe that would have been at the Dutch Classic in which case it was a National Open. National Opens do not have any AHFS, so that run would not have gotten HP.

[ken robinson]

That's a good question and or idea Larry . Anytime an combo that gets HP really needs to be checked first period .

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Could This Happen?

Racer X is sick of getting outrun in Class. His car always looses to the
396/375 Camaro in B/SA, so a plan is devised by someone with plenty of money.

1. Buy a good B/SA 69 Camaro that is a good stock class car.
2. Build a big Big Block, 502?, with all the correct parts showing, heads, carb, manifold.
3. Put car together and secretly go test to get performance high enough to ruin combination for a lifetime.
4. Get some local racer to enter the car at a local points race where AHFS will be in play.
5. Have car pass inspection before first run, weight, fuel, safety belts, and helmet
6. First run blast the index load up and go home
7. Monday AHFS gives 396/375 6.25% additional Horse Power

My question is could NHRA keep this from Happing? With how the rules are written now I do not think so. Our category needs some protection from NHRA Tech Department. Maybe a check list to follow when runs of 1.3 seconds are made during events when the AHFS is in place.

The answer will take some thinking and some work

I thought about this exact scenario yesterday while reading this thread. One would have to be smart about this and run the car for a while at a safe e.t. before blasting it. I think just showing up and doing it would (hopefully) trigger some warnings in the tech department's heads.

Shy of everyone tearing down prior to an event like it's 1975 again, the only thing I can think of is a random chip draw after the final Q session. Have a racer's meeting, Every racer would sign in and put their name in a bucket. Pick 3-5(?) at random. Those drivers have 10 minutes to report to a teardown location. The downfall of this would be the extent of a teardown that was performed, to where first round may need to be pushed off to the following day. In place of this, NHRA could run an extra round or two of the other sportsman classes that day.

I would hope the threat of being an unlucky random teardown participant would be enough of a deterrent to being caught with a 4.5" crank in their block.

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

I thought about this exact scenario yesterday while reading this thread. One would have to be smart about this and run the car for a while at a safe e.t. before blasting it. I think just showing up and doing it would (hopefully) trigger some warnings in the tech department's heads.

Shy of everyone tearing down prior to an event like it's 1975 again, the only thing I can think of is a random chip draw after the final Q session. Have a racer's meeting, Every racer would sign in and put their name in a bucket. Pick 3-5(?) at random. Those drivers have 10 minutes to report to a teardown location. The downfall of this would be the extent of a teardown that was performed, to where first round may need to be pushed off to the following day. In place of this, NHRA could run an extra round or two of the other sportsman classes that day.

I would hope the threat of being an unlucky random teardown participant would be enough of a deterrent to being caught with a 4.5" crank in their block.

How about this idea instead of penalizing the fast cars look at the slow combinationsand take HP off them then everone is happy

[Larry Hill]

Suppose the slow car is in the Class and has the same engine, and platform as the fast car. Personal Indexes?

[rick winchester]

Going to Orlando ego air from Ohio can get you in trouble real quick, most 350/255 camaros run low 11 ets will pick up to high 10s just by going to Orlando . add in a few up grades over the winter you can pick up alot more than you think.Even though it helps me in heads up runs I hate to see anybody get a 15hp hit. Just saying. Rick

[Robin Lawrence]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the NHRA Tech Department.

Could This Happen?

Racer X is sick of getting outrun in Class. His car always looses to the
396/375 Camaro in B/SA, so a plan is devised by someone with plenty of money.

1. Buy a good B/SA 69 Camaro that is a good stock class car.
2. Build a big Big Block, 502?, with all the correct parts showing, heads, carb, manifold.
3. Put car together and secretly go test to get performance high enough to ruin combination for a lifetime.
4. Get some local racer to enter the car at a local points race where AHFS will be in play.
5. Have car pass inspection before first run, weight, fuel, safety belts, and helmet
6. First run blast the index load up and go home
7. Monday AHFS gives 396/375 6.25% additional Horse Power

My question is could NHRA keep this from Happing? With how the rules are written now I do not think so. Our category needs some protection from NHRA Tech Department. Maybe a check list to follow when runs of 1.3 seconds or quicker are made during events when the AHFS is in place.

The answer will take some thinking and some work

I would hope/wish/expect that NHRA would tear down those entries with fast runs.

The CJ 350 Auto combination received a HP increase when an engine builder claimed the 2014 combination (As Cast Heads) verses the 2013 Combination that allowed the Boss CNC Ported Heads. As in, he was running ported heads claiming it as a 2014 combination.

NHRA has never corrected that issue.

I am sure there a few cars out there that aren't 100% legal. Smart people would stay mid to bottom on the sheet and then race smart.

If we are going to have rules they be followed and NHRA needs to do random teardowns. Not just the fast cars, maybe the winner and runner up and anyone that races a pickup truck.


Robin